8/29 (SAR): Travers, King's Bishop, Ballerina, Ballston, Vic. Ride

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

This is a nuts conclusion. I bet Hold Me Back in the Derby, he put in a nifty middle move down the backstretch which was obviously a bit too early. He's never run a big race on dirt but if you consider his move in the Derby, I think he can handle it.

To me the Travers this year is: Can Quality Road handle the stretch-out off little races? And if not, who can jump-up? On Beyers, Summer Bird and Kensei fit the jump-up model. But I don't know if Kensei wants 10 furlongs with his A-game, and Summer Bird, though a useful horse, would have been fourth in the Belmont if it were at 10 furlongs. And in the Haskell, he beat-out Munnings who was obviously out of his comfort zone.

So, while both Summer Bird and Kensei could win, I can't get too excited about betting either of them at shorter prices. And Quality Road in my opinion is one of the most talented horses we've seen in a while, but he's really up against it today.

So, why not take a stab and have some fun? I'm not certainly not taking out a loan against my dog, but he'll be a price on a crazy, wet day.

Enjoy everyone!

Good call Travis on the 2nd place finisher, hope u nailed the exacta.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by CSC

Good call Travis on the 2nd place finisher, hope u nailed the exacta.

Don't you have to have a winner and second place finisher to have the exacta?

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Don't you have to have a winner and second place finisher to have the exacta?

I think so, but let me check back with you.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Don't you have to have a winner and second place finisher to have the exacta?

No, I just bet SB to win. Not to get too personal but it was a good amount of change.

[pdrift1]

trying not to get ahead of myself. sloppy track today . RA still has to win the woodward which anything can happen but her getting beaten by this group of older seems impossible as great as she is. you have to just think the BC needs a boot in azz that the BCC is not being run on dirt to solidify RA as one of the greatest

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by CSC

No, I just bet SB to win. Not to get too personal but it was a good amount of change.

congrats on the hit. i liked his chances also. i guess all those reports jeff seigel commented on this mourning on how a lot of people at saratoga were saying SB was looking horrible are scratching thier heads.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

congrats on the hit. i liked his chances also. i guess all those reports jeff seigel commented on this mourning on how a lot of people at saratoga were saying SB was looking horrible are scratching thier heads.

Looked awful didn't he?

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Looked awful didn't he?

yeah i think he was thinking about changing his mind i think after all he heard

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

yeah i think he was thinking about changing his mind i think after all he heard

I'm thinkin about a Kansas City strip at the Char house

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

congrats on the hit. i liked his chances also. i guess all those reports jeff seigel commented on this mourning on how a lot of people at saratoga were saying SB was looking horrible are scratching thier heads.

Anyone who listens to that stuff deserves to lose their money. Watchmaker was saying the same thing, that he was concerned about how well he's trained for this. These guys are just giving their opinions and I've always believed that people who rely on the opinions of others and can't trust their own opinions, especially if they've been at it awhile, deserve to lose.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Anyone who listens to that stuff deserves to lose their money. Watchmaker was saying the same thing, that he was concerned about how well he's trained for this. These guys are just giving their opinions and I've always believed that people who rely on the opinions of others and can't trust their own opinions, especially if they've been at it awhile, deserve to lose.

i agree . first thing comes to mind was my gut feeling on dynaforce in the beverly d

[CSC]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

congrats on the hit. i liked his chances also. i guess all those reports jeff seigel commented on this mourning on how a lot of people at saratoga were saying SB was looking horrible are scratching thier heads.

I don't know why he would report that, I heard the opposite. That reminds me of the time when there were reports on High Chaparral looking awful the week of the BC(his 2nd) in which he ran great. Sometimes it's hard to take anything at face value and you just have to do your own work and analysis.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

congrats on the hit. i liked his chances also. i guess all those reports jeff seigel commented on this mourning on how a lot of people at saratoga were saying SB was looking horrible are scratching thier heads.

his trainer said, more than once, that summer bird takes a bit to get used to a track. i thought they said his later works looked much better? at any rate, he was certainly discounted much too soon.

[Indian Charlie]

Do you think it's possible QR was uneasy before the race because he was already doomed here?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Do you think it's possible QR was uneasy before the race because he was already doomed here?

Is this getting a bit old, I have been better and not responding to most of it, but come on man. QR freaked out before the race, he looked like **** before the race, he had a tough trip and never looked comfortable. Not to mention he did not get out ok.
Another topic, does it seem like all todds horses are not getting out of the gate? I think his 2 maidens broke slow today and QR.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Don't you have to have a winner and second place finisher to have the exacta?

BTW, I usually don't bet large win bets unless I am feeling really good about my chances, the other big win bet I remember making was coincidentally in the slop also on Empire Maker in the Belmont, he was 2nd choice to Funny Cide. In both cases I believed they were the better horses and luckily it worked out both times.