Vikings Love in Vegas

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

You think the Packers are going to have more wins then the Bears?

Do you watch football?

Yes, and I think the Packers are going to be very good this year. Aaron Rodgers looks really good this preseason and I think he's going to have a great year this year finally having an offseason knowing that he was the man. They had 7 losses by 4 points or less last year which is tied for the second most in NFL history. Most of that was on the defense but expect their defense to be vastly improved this year with Dom Capers. First year with Dom Capers as defensive coordinator:

1992 - Pittsburgh - improved from 22nd to 2nd
1999 - Jacksonsville - improved from 17th to 1st
2006 - Miami - improved from 15th to 5th

If he can improve the Packers from the 22nd defense to the 14th that already turns 4 of those 7 losses into wins and makes them a 10 win team. If he does more than that and the offense improves it could be an 11 or 12 win team.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yes, and I think the Packers are going to be very good this year. Aaron Rodgers looks really good this preseason and I think he's going to have a great year this year finally having an offseason knowing that he was the man. They had 7 losses by 4 points or less last year which is tied for the second most in NFL history. Most of that was on the defense but expect their defense to be vastly improved this year with Dom Capers. First year with Dom Capers as defensive coordinator:

1992 - Pittsburgh - improved from 22nd to 2nd
1999 - Jacksonsville - improved from 17th to 1st
2006 - Miami - improved from 15th to 5th

If he can improve the Packers from the 22nd defense to the 14th that already turns 4 of those 7 losses into wins and makes them a 10 win team. If he does more than that and the offense improves it could be an 11 or 12 win team.

The Packers will be decent this year, only because their offense is awesome. That alone will keep them in games, but their defense is very questionable. A completely new system without a bunch of rocket scientists, where I expect them to get better later in the season, but it will be too late

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

The Packers will be decent this year, only because their offense is awesome. That alone will keep them in games, but their defense is very questionable. A completely new system without a bunch of rocket scientists, where I expect them to get better later in the season, but it will be too late

A 3-4 defense is dependent on a stud nose tackle. I think BJ Raji can be that guy. Even if Nick Barnett isn't back 100% this year they will still have a good defense, if he comes back strong they could be really good.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Scav

The Packers will be decent this year, only because their offense is awesome. That alone will keep them in games, but their defense is very questionable. A completely new system without a bunch of rocket scientists, where I expect them to get better later in the season, but it will be too late

Tom...it might be questionable....but they look very good defensively so far. I think there question mark is the running game. It wouldn't surprise me if they take the division. It also wouldn't surprise me if the Vikes fall to 3rd.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Tom...it might be questionable....but they look very good defensively so far. I think there question mark is the running game. It wouldn't surprise me if they take the division. It also wouldn't surprise me if the Vikes fall to 3rd.

IT IS THE PRESEASON.

Personally, I think Packers and Bears fans love the fact that the Vikings got Favre, the Bears have owned him in his late years, and the Packers game will be epic because that defense is going to be so fired up, and Favre, regardless of what he says, wants to beat them BAD!!

So what I wanted to say was that I think Favre will do more harm then good

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Scav

IT IS THE PRESEASON.

Personally, I think Packers and Bears fans love the fact that the Vikings got Favre, the Bears have owned him in his late years, and the Packers game will be epic because that defense is going to be so fired up, and Favre, regardless of what he says, wants to beat them BAD!!

So what I wanted to say was that I think Favre will do more harm then good

Bears are getting burned in the secondary. But I'm going to put that in the IT IS THE PRESEASON category, NOT!!!!. Granted what the Packers have played have been creampuffs so far, but so is the potential on the schedule. I'm going to go with Dom Capers history and their personel.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Scav

IT IS THE PRESEASON.

Personally, I think Packers and Bears fans love the fact that the Vikings got Favre, the Bears have owned him in his late years, and the Packers game will be epic because that defense is going to be so fired up, and Favre, regardless of what he says, wants to beat them BAD!!

So what I wanted to say was that I think Favre will do more harm then good

So how about that Packer D?

(It makes me sick that I have to mention this)

[dalakhani]

The Packers Defense was amazing today.

[dalakhani]

That Packer D is something special

[3kings]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yes, and I think the Packers are going to be very good this year. Aaron Rodgers looks really good this preseason and I think he's going to have a great year this year finally having an offseason knowing that he was the man. They had 7 losses by 4 points or less last year which is tied for the second most in NFL history. Most of that was on the defense but expect their defense to be vastly improved this year with Dom Capers. First year with Dom Capers as defensive coordinator:

1992 - Pittsburgh - improved from 22nd to 2nd
1999 - Jacksonsville - improved from 17th to 1st
2006 - Miami - improved from 15th to 5th

If he can improve the Packers from the 22nd defense to the 14th that already turns 4 of those 7 losses into wins and makes them a 10 win team. If he does more than that and the offense improves it could be an 11 or 12 win team.

The Capers factor is legit, the defence will be much improved. I think Rogers will have a big year with this division going down to the wire.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yes, and I think the Packers are going to be very good this year. Aaron Rodgers looks really good this preseason and I think he's going to have a great year this year finally having an offseason knowing that he was the man. They had 7 losses by 4 points or less last year which is tied for the second most in NFL history. Most of that was on the defense but expect their defense to be vastly improved this year with Dom Capers. First year with Dom Capers as defensive coordinator:

1992 - Pittsburgh - improved from 22nd to 2nd
1999 - Jacksonsville - improved from 17th to 1st
2006 - Miami - improved from 15th to 5th

If he can improve the Packers from the 22nd defense to the 14th that already turns 4 of those 7 losses into wins and makes them a 10 win team. If he does more than that and the offense improves it could be an 11 or 12 win team.

Defense wound up #2 in the NFL. Capers is a miracle worker.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Defense wound up #2 in the NFL. Capers is a miracle worker.

soft schedule sniper they are not that good

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by gales0678

soft schedule sniper they are not that good

lol...gimme a break Marty. They are as good as anyone not named San Diego in the NFL right now. Have you even watched them play outside of the Monday night loss to Minny?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

soft schedule sniper they are not that good

No softer than Minnesota or Arizona and they are quite good. Maybe not AFC good but definitely could win the NFC.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

No softer than Minnesota or Arizona and they are quite good. Maybe not AFC good but definitely could win the NFC.

i wasn't talking about the team , i was talking just about the "d"

bob i watched the whole pittsburgh game 2 weeks ago , is that really a championship d?

rogers can carry them for a couple of wins no question about it , but , is the "d" really good eneough to take them all the way ....that is what i am talking about

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i wasn't talking about the team , i was talking just about the "d"

bob i watched the whole pittsburgh game 2 weeks ago , is that really a championship d?

rogers can carry them for a couple of wins no question about it , but , is the "d" really good eneough to take them all the way ....that is what i am talking about

I think that it could get them to the Super Bowl... Sure why not? I really think that the NFC is wide open.

Saints- Arguebly the best team, but haven't looked like worldbeaters the last few weeks.

Vikings- Dangerous team who is a lot better at home and would have to beat the Pack for a third time (didn't work out so well for Dallas a few years ago).

Cards- High powered offense that did beat the Vikings. But you talk about schedules, they didn't exactly beat a cast of world beaters. But probably gained some valueable experience last year.

Cowboys- Dr. Jeckell - Mr. Hyde. They could either be lights out or just God awful. Never know what you are going to get.

Eagles- A team with defensive trouble. Plus people are jumping off the bandwagon quick after last weeks debacle.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I think that it could get them to the Super Bowl... Sure why not? I really think that the NFC is wide open.

Saints- Arguebly the best team, but haven't looked like worldbeaters the last few weeks.

Vikings- Dangerous team who is a lot better at home and would have to beat the Pack for a third time (didn't work out so well for Dallas a few years ago).

Cards- High powered offense that did beat the Vikings. But you talk about schedules, they didn't exactly beat a cast of world beaters. But probably gained some valueable experience last year.

Cowboys- Dr. Jeckell - Mr. Hyde. They could either be lights out or just God awful. Never know what you are going to get.

Eagles- A team with defensive trouble. Plus people are jumping off the bandwagon quick after last weeks debacle.

I'll tell you this matt , the 2 nfc winners this week whomever they are can all knock off the saints and vikings

i agree the nfc is wide open

i'm not sold on the packer d , but, as i said rogers can carry them a couple of games , i don't think they can win 3 in a row on the road imo against playoff teams

as far rematches , the cowboys get the eagles for a 3rd time this yr. it is very hard to beat a team 3 times as the cowboys know from 2 yrs ago when they had a bye and waited for the giants to come to them for game 3 ....we know what happened

i think big d benefits here as they play right away , i also think big d has the better d and as long as romo does not implode they should win

2 yrs ago i thought the 7 pt underdog giants had a chance becuase i never got the feeling that dallas was that much better than them in either game during the regular season , if i remember right the 1st game was in big d and it was a shootout and game 2 at the meadowlands was close until TO got free for one late. Watching both philly games this year , i just don't see the philly o being able to do much against the cowboys d ......they will need help from their d to create scoring opportunites

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i wasn't talking about the team , i was talking just about the "d"

bob i watched the whole pittsburgh game 2 weeks ago , is that really a championship d?

rogers can carry them for a couple of wins no question about it , but , is the "d" really good eneough to take them all the way ....that is what i am talking about

It makes me use to vomit to talk about Green Bay, yet alone Dallas in a good light. But ask Dallas if Green Bay is a championship caliber D? Dallas got 278 total yds of offense in their game. 63 in the final drive for their only score in garbage time.

Even when Warner and the rest of the offense is back in full, GB is not a team that matches well for them.

Only allowed 185 to Baltimore.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i wasn't talking about the team , i was talking just about the "d"

bob i watched the whole pittsburgh game 2 weeks ago , is that really a championship d?

rogers can carry them for a couple of wins no question about it , but , is the "d" really good eneough to take them all the way ....that is what i am talking about

Football Outsiders adjusts their defensive stats to every team playing an average schedule and every team recovering the average number of fumbles. The Packers defense still come out #2:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Football Outsiders adjusts their defensive stats to every team playing an average schedule and every team recovering the average number of fumbles. The Packers defense still come out #2:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

there are stats , stats and stas , and then lies