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[JDank34]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I can't believe you told him he was out of his mind and didn't bring up anything about how he said Warrior's Reward could beat QR.

Warrior's Reward should be running Saturday, either in a N2X or as a longshot in the King's Bishop because he's a one-turn horse IMO.

NT

Warrior's Reward will run by Quality Road like hes tied to a pole.....AND why would you think he's a one turn horse? Beacuse he destroyed Munnings in a one turn race at CD? Ian already has another horse to beat Munnings in the Kings Bishop (Capt. Candyman Can)....it's going to be a great weekend to be an Ian Wilkes fan....mark that down!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by JDank34

Warrior's Reward will run by Quality Road like hes tied to a pole.....AND why would you think he's a one turn horse? Beacuse he destroyed Munnings in a one turn race at CD? Ian already has another horse to beat Munnings in the Kings Bishop (Capt. Candyman Can)....it's going to be a great weekend to be an Ian Wilkes fan....mark that down!

Warrior's Reward was awful last time out.

[JDank34]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Warrior's Reward was awful last time out.

He was far from awful and he had an "interesting" ride.....in early May the Wilkes camp was saying this horse would win the Travers and all they have done to this point is prepare him for that specific race....we will all see Sat

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by JDank34

He was far from awful and he had an "interesting" ride.....in early May the Wilkes camp was saying this horse would win the Travers and all they have done to this point is prepare him for that specific race....we will all see Sat

What was so interesting about his ride?

He was loose on an unpressured lead through moderate fractions and he was unable to make good of the tactical advantage.

Flat Bold was dead last early - just a few lengths back - and was practically pulling Dominguez out of the saddle.

Is Ian Wilkes supposed to be some great handicapper or future wager expert or something? His horse will have to run significantly better to win the Travers.

[JDank34]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What was so interesting about his ride?

He was loose on an unpressured lead through moderate fractions and he was unable to make good of the tactical advantage.

Flat Bold was dead last early - just a few lengths back - and was practically pulling Dominguez out of the saddle.

Is Ian Wilkes supposed to be some great handicapper or future wager expert or something? His horse will have to run significantly better to win the Travers.

No question he will have to run better to win the Travers....however, some trainers take their time and develop horses with very specific goals in mind....Ian never had any intention of winning the Jim Dandy or the Dwyer for that matter...they were learning experiences for his colt. WR will be , as Indian Charlie says "further back than nuts on a cat" in the Travers and will finish with a flourish. Putting him into the race last out merely served as a foundation builder for the Travers...

AND its a ridiculous comment for you to call a trainer "some future wager expert" when he is only signifying belief in his colt and executing a plan to get there.....same as Carl did with countless horses. Did you think Unshaded would win the Travers? Lady Joanne the Alabama? Street Sense the BC Juvenile? or Ian's Court Folly destroying Songster at 2/5 in the Amsterdam? etc, etc, etc............

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by JDank34

No question he will have to run better to win the Travers....however, some trainers take their time and develop horses with very specific goals in mind....Ian never had any intention of winning the Jim Dandy or the Dwyer for that matter...they were learning experiences for his colt. WR will be , as Indian Charlie says "further back than nuts on a cat" in the Travers and will finish with a flourish. Putting him into the race last out merely served as a foundation builder for the Travers....

For having no intention at all of winning those last three races of his ... he sure was bet like a mofo in all 3. Failing at odds of 4/5, 4/5, and 5/2 and taking certainly more money than I expected in his last two.

Originally Posted by JDank34

AND its a ridiculous comment for you to call a trainer "some future wager expert" when he is only signifying belief in his colt and executing a plan to get there.....same as Carl did with countless horses. Did you think Unshaded would win the Travers? Lady Joanne the Alabama? Street Sense the BC Juvenile? or Ian's Court Folly destroying Songster at 2/5 in the Amsterdam? etc, etc, etc............

Yes, Yes, No, No

He's signifying a belief that he overestimated his colt.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

By the way, Wilkes lifetime record in Graded Stakes races is 49-7-5-8 with an ROI of $1.96

And he can thank Court Folly for his big upset of 1/9 shot Songster. The same Songster that was 5th beaten almost 8 lengths in the King's Bishop at 5/2 in his next start.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by JDank34

Warrior's Reward will run by Quality Road like hes tied to a pole.....AND why would you think he's a one turn horse? Beacuse he destroyed Munnings in a one turn race at CD? Ian already has another horse to beat Munnings in the Kings Bishop (Capt. Candyman Can)....it's going to be a great weekend to be an Ian Wilkes fan....mark that down!

Maybe you're right, I mean Warrior's Reward has been absolutely scintillating in all of his route races.

Do you think it's a coincidence that the only time he has looked even moderately decent was around one turn with cupcake inside trips?

He lost to Successful Dan in a veritable match race as they controlled a cushy pace and he couldn't even get by him! In the Jim Dandy he really cruised on an easy lead (as DrugS pointed out) and had no answer for Kensei, who may be just a slightly decent horse.

There is absolutely nothing Warrior's Reward has done against stakes competition that would make me think he can win the Travers. Of the horses slated to run I'd say only Charitable Man and Our Edge are more unlikely winners.

NT

[JDank34]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Maybe you're right, I mean Warrior's Reward has been absolutely scintillating in all of his route races.

Do you think it's a coincidence that the only time he has looked even moderately decent was around one turn with cupcake inside trips?

He lost to Successful Dan in a veritable match race as they controlled a cushy pace and he couldn't even get by him! In the Jim Dandy he really cruised on an easy lead (as DrugS pointed out) and had no answer for Kensei, who may be just a slightly decent horse.

There is absolutely nothing Warrior's Reward has done against stakes competition that would make me think he can win the Travers. Of the horses slated to run I'd say only Charitable Man and Our Edge are more unlikely winners.

NT

However, if Dunkirk or Munnings were in the Travers you would be all over them?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by JDank34

Warrior's Reward will run by Quality Road like hes tied to a pole.....AND why would you think he's a one turn horse? Beacuse he destroyed Munnings in a one turn race at CD? Ian already has another horse to beat Munnings in the Kings Bishop (Capt. Candyman Can)....it's going to be a great weekend to be an Ian Wilkes fan....mark that down!

Because he couldn't get by Successful Dan in the Northern Dancer.

[the_fat_man]

Hmmmm

First we have all this love for Kensei.

Now, there's all this love for Warrior's Reward.

Let's see: these two combined to go 2-1 around the track last out. And, in the stretch, the great Flat Bold was trying to make up ground on them.

It's not much of a stretch, with OTHER speed (and stalkers) in the race and better closers, to assume that these two probably won't be around at crunch time EVEN IF they get another speed favoring setup/track.

Hard to believe some of the opinions here. Do these people actually BET? Real money?

I like Kensei and Warriors Reward.