Cash for Clunkers Success

[Riot]

What else would the car industry say?

The alternative to success would be: "It didn't work and I am starving and had to lay off my salesmen, and the car factory didn't have to gear up and produce more cars, and laid off people were not hired back."

But that's not what happened.

The govt gave buyers $3 billion dollars to buy up unsold inventory. It is a success for buyers and sellers but doesnt do much more for the other 98% of the country that is financing this.

Yes, nobody was buying cars, causing disaster for the car industry, and this made people start buying cars again, and they bought out the inventory causing the auto mfrs. to have to start building more to prevent a car shortage. Yes, that is a success for the targeted industry.

As for the workers put back to work (union workers by the way), that will be nothing but a temporary reprieve since the autos that they are making are still no better or wanted than the old ones that they couldnt sell without a giveaway of massive proportions.

You've not noticed what cars the public chose to buy? And you've not noticed what cars the auto industry is dropping (the ones turned in, the ones that didn't sell), and the new different cars they are introducing?

[Riot]

Okay, I'll try one more time:

"I am seriously clueless as to what you guys (Cannon, Dell, Zig) want done fiscally by any administration in power now. How about this:

No healthcare reform at all, no new programs at all.

Ignore the recession/depression, zero government interference.

That leaves us with the massive debt we were saddled with by Bush. How shall we pay for it? Income tax increases?"

Do you guys agree with no new programs at all? Yes or no?

Do you agree with zero government interference with the economy? Yes or no?

How do you want to pay for the massive debt we already have today, leftover from the past? Tax raises, or cutting current services? Which services should be cut?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Okay, I'll try one more time:

"I am seriously clueless as to what you guys (Cannon, Dell, Zig) want done fiscally by any administration in power now. How about this:

No healthcare reform at all, no new programs at all.

Ignore the recession/depression, zero government interference.

That leaves us with the massive debt we were saddled with by Bush. How shall we pay for it? Income tax increases?"

Do you guys agree with no new programs at all? Yes or no?

Do you agree with zero government interference with the economy? Yes or no?

How do you want to pay for the massive debt we already have today, leftover from the past? Tax raises, or cutting current services? Which services should be cut?

To use the words of your man Barney Frank, "arguing with you is like arguing with a kitchen table."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

To use the words of your man Barney Frank, "arguing with you is like arguing with a kitchen table."

Do you think it's more difficult than trying to debate with someone who thinks the President of the United States is secretly an illegal alien?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you think it's more difficult than trying to debate with someone who thinks the President of the United States is secretly an illegal alien?

I don't think he is illegal but do think it's suspicious he's spent millions in legal fees to fight the release of it. If a little leaguer has to produce his (not someone who says he saw it) why not a President? Race? Father Name? America wants to know or at least I do.

And you were all in when Obama was going to use wasted medicaid money to finance a chunk of BS Health Care and now he plans to expand it?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I don't think he is illegal but do think it's suspicious he's spent millions in legal fees to fight the release of it. If a little leaguer has to produce his (not someone who says he saw it) why not a President? Race? Father Name? America wants to know or at least I do.

And you were all in when Obama was going to use wasted medicaid money to finance a chunk of BS Health Care and now he plans to expand it?

Did you know that a poll last week showed that 75% of FoxNews viewers really believe there will be government death panels killing grandma?

PS - and you might read up on what that "expansion" thing really involves.

PPS - "millions in legal fees" ??? LOL!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

PS - and you might read up on what that "expansion" thing really involves.

!

Did that 4 days ago unless we're back to plan A or is it B or ????

PS I know the Wall Street Journal (Neocon, racist, biggoted, heartless, biased rag)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125072573848144647.html

and to think part of the logic why we're supposed to accept this is because the Post Office doesn't suck that bad!

Get served slow at the post office you may get a late charge, get served slow by government health care and you may be dead. Get that logic?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Did you know that a poll last week showed that 75% of FoxNews viewers really believe there will be government death panels killing grandma?!

Really? Do you just arbitrarily make up numbers or add numbers together to get to a number you like?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Did you know that a poll last week showed that 75% of FoxNews viewers really believe there will be government death panels killing grandma? LOL!

"The poll, which surveyed 1,003 adults August 14-17, found that 50% of Americans do not believe that the "death panels" claim is true, while 30% do. The number of people who believe the claim jumps to 45% among regular viewers of Fox News, while the number who don't believe the claim drops to 30%."

Like I said your numbers are a little off as usual.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Riot

Okay, I'll try one more time:

"I am seriously clueless as to what you guys (Cannon, Dell, Zig) want done fiscally by any administration in power now. How about this:

No healthcare reform at all, no new programs at all.
we need reform badly, but what the Democrats are pushing for we do not need. Republicans have offered several reasonable alternatives that nobody is paying any attention to.

Ignore the recession/depression, zero government interference.
Much less interference in the private sector. no more bailouts and propping up of dead zombie companies and banks.

That leaves us with the massive debt we were saddled with by Bush. How shall we pay for it? Income tax increases?"
quit trying to blame everything on Bush, except for a few years in the nineties with a Republican majority,congress has been on a spending spree for decades. We have to CUT! and I mean government, all departments, all benefits. we CANNOT pay this bill with tax increases. It will be cuts and/or inflation to pay the debt.

Do you guys agree with no new programs at all? Yes! no new programs. In fact there are programs that should be eliminated or no?

Do you agree with zero government interference with the economy? Yes or no? government should leave as small a footprint as possible.

How do you want to pay for the massive debt we already have today, leftover from the past? Tax raises, or cutting current services? Which services should be cut?
Like I said, we must cut, government has been growing unabated in good times and bad. how long can that happen before it chokes all the oxygen out of the system? we're seeing it now.

for a lifelong Republican you ask some pretty strange questions.

what are your ideas? let me guess, no cuts, more government programs and higher taxes will balance the budget?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

for a lifelong Republican you ask some pretty strange questions.

what are your ideas? let me guess, no cuts, more government programs and higher taxes will balance the budget?

No, those are not my ideas. You might consider that not all Republicans are as far-right ultra-conservative as you. The party of inclusion, don'tcha know

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

The alternative to success would be: "It didn't work and I am starving and had to lay off my salesmen, and the car factory didn't have to gear up and produce more cars, and laid off people were not hired back."

But that's not what happened.



Yes, nobody was buying cars, causing disaster for the car industry, and this made people start buying cars again, and they bought out the inventory causing the auto mfrs. to have to start building more to prevent a car shortage. Yes, that is a success for the targeted industry.



You've not noticed what cars the public chose to buy? And you've not noticed what cars the auto industry is dropping (the ones turned in, the ones that didn't sell), and the new different cars they are introducing?

Since when do people not take free money? Since when does a handout not get taken advantage of? People will stop buying cars as soon as this program ends. This program did nothing but move backed up inventory. So what are we going to do now that people will stop buying cars since this program is over? Giving money away is easy, fixing problems isnt. Obama is great at giving money away. He doesnt appear to have any clue how to fix problems.

No one is saying that this program was a disaster or anything. But it is far from a novel or brilliant or really useful program. Maybe it gives a little shot in the arms to a battered (though deservedly so) industry but the fact is that going forward not much was really accomplished. Maybe with the amounts of money being tossed around these days, $3 billion isnt even something worth talking about?