Mine That Bird

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

how fast people forget. she was life and death at the wire in the preakness. and the travers is another 1/16. it was the only race thats been close for her this year. i hope he runs, and rachel too, that procedure usually moves horses up. with quality road in there, the pace will be legit if not quick. thats all this horse needs. a mile and a quarter and targets tiring out. his last two trips were terrible, moved up prematuraly in both. if all these horses run, he will be the FORGOTTEN ONE. its got value written all over it. i figured he would lose at that bullring in west virginia(i was hoping). if he does run the price just went up. i'll be laughing all the way to the window after. his last race at this distance was an absolute laugher. if he does enter this guy talking just added a couple more points on the board. which is fine by me.

Quality Road will win with/without her. It really wont matter. He is that good. The Birds will be lucky to make the exacta. I will take Warriors Reward for second.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Quality Road will win with/without her. It really wont matter. He is that good. The Birds will be lucky to make the exacta. I will take Warriors Reward for second.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Quality Road needs Rachel in order to win.

[letswastemoney]

The good thing if you like Mine That Bird is....it's unlikely he'll be "ridden incorrectly" three straight times, so odds are Mike Smith will wait for the right moment this time....whether it's good enough or not.

[Gander]

I dont know why they would put Mike Smith on Mine that Bird again, when there are so many better jockeys already at Saratoga that will no doubt be rideless for the Travers. Coming to mind would be guys like Castellano, Chavez, Lezcano and C Velasquez. What is the huge appeal with Mike Smith that anybody would want to foot the expense of shipping him in?

[cakes44]

Chavez?

[TheSpyder]

Chop Chop is riding great right now. Finally injury free for the first time in a long time. Has had some nice winners at Toga.

Originally Posted by cakes44

Chavez?

[Gander]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Chavez?

Ya Chavez. Hes been riding great in the last few months. Turf and dirt. You give him a live mount and he'll be there at the end. He doesnt give 1/4 of the live mounts Smith gets. Hes not spoon fed 3/5 shots like Zenyatta.
Smith had his chance with the Bird and he didnt exactly give him the best of rides. Hes a good jockey, but is he worthy of being flown in...for any race?

[reese]

Originally Posted by Gander

I dont know why they would put Mike Smith on Mine that Bird again, when there are so many better jockeys already at Saratoga that will no doubt be rideless for the Travers. Coming to mind would be guys like Castellano, Chavez, Lezcano and C Velasquez. What is the huge appeal with Mike Smith that anybody would want to foot the expense of shipping him in?

Ever hear about the HOF? Which of the jocks YOU cited are IN the HOF?

[Travis Stone]

Life and death in the Preakness would have been a nose, but with another 16th of a mile, the result could have easily gone the other way.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Life and death in the Preakness would have been a nose, but with another 16th of a mile, the result could have easily gone the other way.

Personally I can't wait to bet against Rachel, she's had one great scenario after the other with the only adversity coming in the Preakness. She's going into the Travers(?) as the big name, everyone's favorite horse, that she's going to be overbet, if she gets abit of adversity the result could be as close as The Preakness that any value bettor must be salavating at the chance to take her on.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by reese

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Ever hear about the HOF? Which of the jocks YOU cited are IN the HOF?

The HOF didnt seem to matter in the West Virginia Derby, Smith didnt time it right at all. Borel gave him a crappy ride in the Belmont. Time before that Smith again didnt give the horse a chance (Preakness).

What makes you so sure a guy not in the HOF like Chavez or Lezcano couldnt do any better aboard this horse? Give me a break, its not like this horse has been give good rides and just come up short.

I'd like to see what Mike Smith could do day to day riding in NY. My guess is middle of the standings at best.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Gander

The HOF didnt seem to matter in the West Virginia Derby, Smith didnt time it right at all. Borel gave him a crappy ride in the Belmont. Time before that Smith again didnt give the horse a chance (Preakness).

What makes you so sure a guy not in the HOF like Chavez or Lezcano couldnt do any better aboard this horse? Give me a break, its not like this horse has been give good rides and just come up short.

I'd like to see what Mike Smith could do day to day riding in NY. My guess is middle of the standings at best.

My guess is below Mike Luzzi, slightly above Morales.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Gander

I'd like to see what Mike Smith could do day to day riding in NY. My guess is middle of the standings at best.

Yea, that dude could never, ever, in the history of the sport, or in any future paradigm, prove himself in the great state of new york.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by reese

Ever hear about the HOF? Which of the jocks YOU cited are IN the HOF?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

The good thing if you like Mine That Bird is....it's unlikely he'll be "ridden incorrectly" three straight times, so odds are Mike Smith will wait for the right moment this time....whether it's good enough or not.

Watch Smith's ride on Good Time Sally yesterday and tell me if you think that's a jock with over 20 years experience. Probably 99% of the trainers out there would think that Smith did nothing wrong (had the horse OUTSIDE) in what was an absolutely brutal ride.

Fair odds on this horse, with Smith up, in the Travers should probably be > 10:1.