Biancone Returns to New York

[CSC]

I think there are plenty of cheaters in all sports, I don't see why Biancone should be vilified more than the others. He's no worse than a Roger Clemons, Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, Manny and Ortiz...the vast majority of the supposed greatest atheletes are all on something that it doesn't even raise an eyebrow with me anymore.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think there are plenty of cheaters in all sports, I don't see why Biancone should be vilified more than the others. He's no worse than a Roger Clemons, Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, Manny and Ortiz...the vast majority of the supposed greatest atheletes are all on something that it doesn't even raise an eyebrow with me anymore.

Oh yea injecting cobra venom to block pain so a horse can basically break its freaking leg and not feel it is the same as putting a needle in your OWN ass so you can hit a baseball farther.

Biancone risked the health of defenseless animals. He's a lot closer to Vick & Paragallo than Clemons, Jones, Armstrong, Manny and Ortiz.

Biancone and his old vet should not be around horses. He's a scumbag.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Oh yea injecting cobra venom to block pain so a horse can basically break its freaking leg and not feel it is the same as putting a needle in your OWN ass so you can hit a baseball farther.

Biancone risked the health of defenseless animals.

And let's not forget the riders of the other horses in those races.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

And let's not forget the riders of the other horses in those races.

Just to play the devil's advocate, couldn't a horse breakdown if they were clean? Horseracing is a risky sport healthwise anyway you want to view it.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by CSC

Just to play the devil's advocate, couldn't a horse breakdown if they were clean? Horseracing is a risky sport healthwise anyway you want to view it.

Without question, but injecting a horse with cobra venom is certainly increasing the chance of a breakdown. In doing so, he's showing direct disdain for the health of his horse and rider, and indirectly for the other riders and horses in the race.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Without question, but injecting a horse with cobra venom is certainly increasing the chance of a breakdown. In doing so, he's showing direct disdain for the health of his horse and rider, and indirectly for the other riders and horses in the race.

No one was convicted of INJECTING this in a horse.It was found in a refrigerator in his office,and it belonged to the Vet.You guys have no proof whatsoever that Biancone or the vet ever used this on a horse.You are just ASS-UMING!

[RockHardTen1985]

He did his time, I wish he would bring all of his horses back to NY and have Julian be his go to rider again. Those were the days.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

No one was convicted of INJECTING this in a horse.It was found in a refrigerator in his office,and it belonged to the Vet.You guys have no proof whatsoever that Biancone or the vet ever used this on a horse.You are just ASS-UMING!

I guess but if you had a bullet to your head which way are you going?

[CSC]

[quote=Antitrust32]Oh yea injecting cobra venom to block pain so a horse can basically break its freaking leg and not feel it is the same as putting a needle in your OWN ass so you can hit a baseball farther.

QUOTE]

This is a very broad statement, there are some drugs such as EPO or HGH that improve muscle mass or that enhances oxygen to the blood vessles. I'm not sure I would compare Biancone to a Mark Shulman when he had the Gill stable, I'm simply saying drugs are a part of sport and I am not certainly not astonished anymore when these things are reported. Judging by how many second and third chances many of these high profile offenders have had, various administrations seem to be taking the apathetic viewpoint also.

[Antitrust32]

[quote=CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Oh yea injecting cobra venom to block pain so a horse can basically break its freaking leg and not feel it is the same as putting a needle in your OWN ass so you can hit a baseball farther.

QUOTE]

This is a very broad statement, there are some drugs such as EPO or HGH that improve muscle mass or that enhances oxygen to the blood vessles. I'm not sure I would compare Biancone to a Mark Shulman when he had the Gill stable, I'm simply saying drugs are a part of sport and I am not certainly not astonished anymore when these things are reported. Judging by how many second and third chances many of these high profile offenders have had, various administrations seem to be taking the apathetic viewpoint also.

I wasnt talking about EPO, HGH... was talking about Biancone and COBRA VENOM. thats why he was suspended... COBRA VENOM!!! the vet and Biancone are exactly on the same level as Shulman and Gill...

makes the horse feel no pain at all. Its very dangerous. Its not fun to see a horse trying to still run with his leg flopping around because its broke and the horse doesnt know it.

I would have much rather him being caught milkshaking or with HGH.. and thats a sad statement.

[kgar311]

[quote=Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

I wasnt talking about EPO, HGH... was talking about Biancone and COBRA VENOM. thats why he was suspended... COBRA VENOM!!! the vet and Biancone are exactly on the same level as Shulman and Gill...

makes the horse feel no pain at all. Its very dangerous. Its not fun to see a horse trying to still run with his leg flopping around because its broke and the horse doesnt know it.

I would have much rather him being caught milkshaking or with HGH.. and thats a sad statement.

I dont think CSC understands how dangerous snake venom is, its possibly the worst thing you can give to a horse. You might as well have the horse nerved, its the same difference. Were not talking about putting a horse at risk for its future, were talking about putting 9 other horses and all jockey's in that race at risk of death. Putting a horse with no feeling in their legs on the track is just plain EVIL.

[CSC]

[quote=Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

I wasnt talking about EPO, HGH... was talking about Biancone and COBRA VENOM. thats why he was suspended... COBRA VENOM!!! the vet and Biancone are exactly on the same level as Shulman and Gill...

makes the horse feel no pain at all. Its very dangerous. Its not fun to see a horse trying to still run with his leg flopping around because its broke and the horse doesnt know it.

I would have much rather him being caught milkshaking or with HGH.. and thats a sad statement.

I don't think anyone who has trained at this level for as many years as Biancone would intentionally do what you are suggesting, if so why does this guy continue to get very good stock after so many years. Surely all of these owner's who turn over horses to him can't be this dumb. Whether it's cobra venom or not, horses run with injuries. It happens all the time in this game, are these Trainer's equally responsible for running unsound horses? To equate cobra venom to intentional trying to harm a horse is a distortion in my opinion, I don't condone it's usage but I do think this is abit of a witchhunt we have here from what I have observed on this thread. I understand the passion horses can provoke, whoever follows this game cannot admire these animals. I don't believe for one moment that any Trainer at the highest levels would intentional try to harm one of their own animals, they may try to enhance a performance but that is a very different distinction.

[parsixfarms]

[quote=CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I don't think anyone who has trained at this level for as many years as Biancone would intentionally do what you are suggesting, if so why does this guy continue to get very good stock after so many years. Surely all of these owner's who turn over horses to him can't be this dumb. Whether it's cobra venom or not, horses run with injuries. It happens all the time in this game, to equate cobra venom to intentional trying to harm a horse is a stretch, I don't condone it's usage but I do think this is abit of a witchhunt we have here from what I have observed on this thread.

I don't think anyone said that he was intentionally trying to harm the horse. What has been said is, that by using cobra venom on his horses, he illustrated wanton disregard for the health and well-being of the riders and the horses.

Some owners care more about winning than winning honestly. That's why he got the horses. Just win, baby!

[CSC]

[quote=parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by CSC

I don't think anyone said that he was intentionally trying to harm the horse. What has been said is, that by using cobra venom on his horses, he illustrated wanton disregard for the health and well-being of the riders and the horses.

Some owners care more about winning than winning honestly. That's why he got the horses. Just win, baby!

I think you said it, riders that rode for him and his kind(The Dutrow's and Asmussen's)know what they are riding, and they share the same responsibilty on what happens on the track. It's not like it's a dirty little secret what is going on in this game, however if one of these riders opts out there will be a lineup of others that want on this train. Only the horse has no say, however what is better being a claimer at CT or an allowance horse under the Evil empire. The answers are not as simple as they should be.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I don't think anyone said that he was intentionally trying to harm the horse. What has been said is, that by using cobra venom on his horses, he illustrated wanton disregard for the health and well-being of the riders and the horses.

Some owners care more about winning than winning honestly. That's why he got the horses. Just win, baby!

"We are in an sporting era where if you aren't being ACCUSED of cheating, you really aren't doing all that good."

sure, if you want to be hyper-logical and fair beyond the standards of due diligence, Biancone has recieved extra attention because of the dramatic nature of the substance with which he was caught.

Still, a strong commissioning body would have done well to issue Biancone "the Black Spot", a lifetime ban from the sport, as much for the perception of his acts as for his transgressions. For it is the The perception here that makes the impact.

To continue reading this article you must be an Insider