Cash for Clunkers Success

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

And your biggest bitch session is over Health Care. Screw the Mom who has lost it because her Son died in the Bush family war, but let's beat the party that is trying to improve HEALTH CARE to death. You may not agree with how he is going about it and I don't 100% either, but at least someone is doing something about it, or at least trying. Republicans are the first to admit the system sucks, but their "man" didn't do jack sh+t. You just want every man, woman and child for them selves and the best man left standing wins. F+ck that...I'm so sick of the right whining and crying and moaning when they don't like something. Suck it up people. You survived the Clinton years and even now admit it wasn't so bad. We are all lucky to have survived the idiot years..well, except the countless who died in the war while Dubya' was being fitted for a bomber jacket and his minions were trying to figure out how many "s" in "Mission Accomplished".

i think everyone recognizes that our health care needs a serious revamping. but i'd rather they take a long look and come up with a decent plan, not just run through something for the sake of having done something. i'd rather they do nothing then screw things up even more.
the fed has become so much more than it was ever intended to be. too many programs the states should be handling have been given over to the fed, which is a huge mistake, and which leads to fraud and waste. better the fed had kept to national defense, and left everything else to the states. but i guess it's too late for that.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think everyone recognizes that our health care needs a serious revamping. but i'd rather they take a long look and come up with a decent plan, not just run through something for the sake of having done something. .

It sure doesn't seem to me they are just doing something or the sake of it. They have come up with a decent plan. Three of them, in fact, which vary. A decent plans with many components. They've been "looking at it" for the past 20 years.

The details are out there, especially this week when the President held three live Town Halls and went over all the details of the various plans, repeatedly.

I just hope, when it comes out of the final compromise committee, the Senate doesn't screw it up so badly it's useless. They will compromise, and it will be in effect in 2013.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It sure doesn't seem to me they are just doing something or the sake of it. They have come up with a decent plan. Three of them, in fact, which vary. A decent plans with many components. They've been "looking at it" for the past 20 years.
The details are out there, especially this week when the President held three live Town Halls and went over all the details of the various plans, repeatedly.

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Then they sent the wrong speaker or gave him the wrong facts but when he said his budget would reduce Federal spending by $2.2 TRILLION and the Congressional Budget Office says oh no and project a $2.7 TRILLION increase I'm done listening. Hopefully AARP joined me.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Then they sent the wrong speaker or gave him the wrong facts but when he said his budget would reduce Federal spending by $2.2 TRILLION and the Congressional Budget Office says oh no and project a $2.7 TRILLION increase I'm done listening. Hopefully AARP joined me.

You might re-read what AARP has said subsequently about healthcare reform plans, after that first Town Hall, and first "we didn't say that". They say they completely support healthcare reform now.

The CBO also agrees that healthcare reform (the plans in the works now) will cost a trillion over 10 years, which is what Obama has been saying.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

It sure doesn't seem to me they are just doing something or the sake of it. They have come up with a decent plan. Three of them, in fact, which vary. A decent plans with many components. They've been "looking at it" for the past 20 years.

The details are out there, especially this week when the President held three live Town Halls and went over all the details of the various plans, repeatedly.

I just hope, when it comes out of the final compromise committee, the Senate doesn't screw it up so badly it's useless. They will compromise, and it will be in effect in 2013.

it's not a decent plan. it's an extravagant, expensive plan that will run us further in the wrong direction than we already are. a country teetering on bankruptcy can't afford to add more programs without cutting something, or several somethings.
i've read the details, why do you think i'm so concerned? social security expenditures are about to go thru the roof. we're not out of either war that we were assured we'd be out of-that drain on the treasury continues.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's not a decent plan. it's an extravagant, expensive plan that will run us further in the wrong direction than we already are. a country teetering on bankruptcy can't afford to add more programs without cutting something, or several somethings.
i've read the details, why do you think i'm so concerned? social security expenditures are about to go thru the roof. we're not out of either war that we were assured we'd be out of-that drain on the treasury continues.

There is not currently "one plan", 'Zig, there are three (or four, can't remember if two or three in the House) What details are you so concerned about?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is not currently "one plan", 'Zig, there are three (or four, can't remember if two or three in the House) What details are you so concerned about?

medicare, medicaid and the veterans programs are all filled with fraud, waste and abuse. but the govt is going to expand into health care for others- with a price tag in the trillions. according to fact check, much of what obama said in his last press conference was incorrect, including whether people with current insurance they want to keep will be affected.

i'm concerned about the deficit, the economy, and the fact that the govt who keeps making things worse is somehow believed by some to in fact suddenly have the ability to make it all better. i'm concerned that increased taxes and inflation is on the horizon. i'm concerned that the president is not in touch with reality-that he is continuing the trend of spend, spend, spend while ignoring the deficit, it's effect for years to come, and our ability as a country to handle our finances.

in essence, everything i posted, and linked that you evidently ignored.

[Riot]

medicare, medicaid and the veterans programs are all filled with fraud, waste and abuse. but the govt is going to expand into health care for others- with a price tag in the trillions.

The health care reforms include strong provisions - changes in law - for decreasing fraud and waste in Medicare, Medicad and the Veterans programs. Isn't that a good thing?

The price tag isn't in the trillions. It is one trillion over 10 years.

according to fact check, much of what obama said in his last press conference was incorrect, including whether people with current insurance they want to keep will be affected.

?? The last press conference was some time ago (a month?) what about what is being talked about this week?

There is zero provision in any of the healthcare bills for anybody with current insurance to be forced off it. They may be affected by increased consumer protection, and lower insurance costs.

i'm concerned about the deficit, the economy, and the fact that the govt who keeps making things worse is somehow believed by some to in fact suddenly have the ability to make it all better.

Me, too. But I certainly have seen in the past where some administrations do indeed make things "much better", and some do not.

i'm concerned that increased taxes and inflation is on the horizon.

Well, you've already received a tax cut from Obama, and there is no talk of increasing taxes on anyone making less than $250K a year.

We'll have to see about the inflation.

i'm concerned that the president is not in touch with reality-that he is continuing the trend of spend, spend, spend while ignoring the deficit, it's effect for years to come, and our ability as a country to handle our finances.

I think this President is much more grounded in reality than the last administration. You do realize that Bush did the first big spend last fall, with the first rescue TARP funds?

Seriously - you keep saying stop spending, that no money should have been spent - but what do you think would have happened? I think we'd be in an overt depression right now. You?

Yes, the country is in a deep mess (which didn't start January 20) and this is the man the majority of people chose to get us out of it. We've got 4 years to work with him, until Jeb Bush comes to save us all

[Danzig]

■Obama promised once again that a health care overhaul “will be paid for.” But congressional budget experts say the bills they’ve seen so far would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit over the next decade


what else is there to talk about?



Obama claimed his budget "reduced federal spending over the next 10 years by $2.2 trillion" compared with where it was headed before. Not true. Even figures from his own budget experts don’t support that. The Congressional Budget Office projects a $2.7 trillion increase, not a $2.2 trillion cut.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, you've already received a tax cut from Obama, and there is no talk of increasing taxes on anyone making less than $250K a year.

this is so ludicrious....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is not currently "one plan", 'Zig, there are three (or four, can't remember if two or three in the House) What details are you so concerned about?

So we are going to enact 4 plans?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So we are going to enact 4 plans?

You are so unfamiliar with the subject at hand, that you do not know there are 2 (or three?) plans being developed within House Committees, there is one being developed in Senate Committee, and after recess they will all come together and hammer out a final health reform bill, which they will then vote upon?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are so unfamiliar with the subject at hand, that you do not know there are 2 (or three?) plans being developed within House Committees, there is one being developed in Senate Committee, and after recess they will all come together and hammer out a final health reform bill, which they will then vote upon?

And you have the scoop on all these plans? Have you read them? While I do vaguely understand how Congress works, it seems to me that every day these vaunted plans change based upon which way the wind blows. Did you see your people backtracking today on the news shows?