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[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is a good way to use your horse unnecessarily. That's why there's the HUGE distinction between the rest of the jockey colony and Dominguez. The others ride YOUR way, with is the standard in the industry, and Dominguez rides the correct way. This 'getting the jump on them' trip handicapping method is mind numbing to me; let alone, WRONG.

So you would have preferred Rose wait and let the closers come to him or pass him on his outside - while he probably gets a long son of Tiznow in a jackpot behind a trio of complete stoppers?

He was 18/1 on the toteboard going into the gate ... and a 2/5 favorite real odds to win that race after 5 furlongs.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

So you would have preferred Rose wait and let the closers come to him or pass him on his outside - while he probably gets a long son of Tiznow in a jackpot behind a trio of complete stoppers?

He was 18/1 on the toteboard going into the gate ... and a 2/5 favorite real odds to win that race after 5 furlongs.

The difference is one of degree and not of kind. Rose can ride the identical race positionally but he doesn't need to put the horse in a drive on the turn. The front runners were coming back and all he needs to do is let the horse go to them IN HAND. Loose rein him. This way, he makes the lead on his own without being asked and then has all he needs to hold off the closers. In fact, if he runs it this way, he doesn't completely gut the speed and his own horse at the same time, and make Macho Again look like he's actually doing something. Rose took a situation where he got a setup where the horse could've won ridden out, never being asked, and ended up using him excessively. I'm sure Motion is happy with the win and has no issues with the ride, however. And, this morning, he was on the show going on about how well the horse was doing. So, maybe he needed the extra work.

[VOL JACK]

I dont think Ive seen a horse run around a far turn like that Street Sense in the BC Juvy and Ky Derby.
I thought Rose moved a touch to soon while watching the race...I thought Macho was gonna swallow him up in deep stretch. But the ground that Rose saved while Robbie was in the 4 path around and off the turn, turned out to be the deciding factor. IMO

[Bogey]

Hockey, nice work

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The difference is one of degree and not of kind. Rose can ride the identical race positionally but he doesn't need to put the horse in a drive on the turn. The front runners were coming back and all he needs to do is let the horse go to them IN HAND. Loose rein him. This way, he makes the lead on his own without being asked and then has all he needs to hold off the closers. In fact, if he runs it this way, he doesn't completely gut the speed and his own horse at the same time, and make Macho Again look like he's actually doing something. Rose took a situation where he got a setup where the horse could've won ridden out, never being asked, and ended up using him excessively. I'm sure Motion is happy with the win and has no issues with the ride, however. And, this morning, he was on the show going on about how well the horse was doing. So, maybe he needed the extra work.

Well....This is why GOD made carryovers. I hope someone here got the one at Toga today, because yesterday was brutal