Zenyetta vs Racheal

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by kgar311

I said to ME ass clown, brush up on your comprehension. Its my opinion. How is hiding in California and going undefeated and not facing any better competition any different then hiding in New Mexico, going undefeated and not facing any better competition. It holds the same merit in my mind. Zenyatta is basically beating non winners and horses that would be 30k claimers in NY by a nose. Until she goes out and finds better competition her undefeated streak means nothing to me.

She did beat up on this one horse named Ginger Punch in Arkansas. You might remember Ginger Punch's name. I think she was the reigning champion older mare. And I'm not sure but I think that Arkansas is not in California. But I'll get back to you on that.

I understand your point and agree with it to an extent but going to ridiculous extremes to try to make it doesn't make any sense.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

She did beat up on this one horse named Ginger Punch in Arkansas. You might remember Ginger Punch's name. I think she was the reigning champion older mare. And I'm not sure but I think that Arkansas is not in California. But I'll get back to you on that.

This Ginger Punch argument is weak. Brownie Points was second. If anyone thinks Brownie Points was better than Ginger Punch overall they're kidding themselves.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

This Ginger Punch argument is weak. Brownie Points was second. If anyone thinks Brownie Points was better than Ginger Punch overall they're kidding themselves.

They both sucked.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

This Ginger Punch argument is weak. Brownie Points was second. If anyone thinks Brownie Points was better than Ginger Punch overall they're kidding themselves.

I guess you believe that a Ginger Punch that wasn't at her best wasn't any better than the horses Pepper's Pride was beating? I guess you are saying that going into the race, you knew Ginger Punch was going to run a bad one? The main point is that Zenyatta did leave California and to face the reigning champ at that. Pepper's Pride never did anything like that.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I guess you believe that a Ginger Punch that wasn't at her best wasn't any better than the horses Pepper's Pride was beating? I guess you are saying that going into the race, you knew Ginger Punch was going to run a bad one? The main point is that Zenyatta did leave California and to face the reigning champ at that. Pepper's Pride never did anything like that.

I think its funny, and symptomatic of this argument, that we are comparing Zenyatta to Peppers Pride.

Yup, no bias and hatred at play here.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

This Ginger Punch argument is weak. Brownie Points was second. If anyone thinks Brownie Points was better than Ginger Punch overall they're kidding themselves.

Would you say Bayakoa's owners didn't deserve any credit for supplementing her and sending her to NY to face Go for Wand in the BC, even though Go for Wand was an odds-on favorite because GfW didn't finish the race? The intent of a move is important too sometimes.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Would you say Bayakoa's owners didn't deserve any credit for supplementing her and sending her to NY to face Go for Wand in the BC, even though Go for Wand was an odds-on favorite because GfW didn't finish the race? The intent of a move is important too sometimes.

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Im going to have to read this one 50 more times to make sure I understand this correctly, its just not coming to me right away what this means

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by kgar311

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Im going to have to read this one 50 more times to make sure I understand this correctly, its just not coming to me right away what this means

Travis is saying that mentioning that Zenyatta going to Arkansas to beat Ginger Punch is a weak argument because obviously GP didn't run her race. I'm saying that you can't use the outcome of the race and hold that against Zenyatta. The fact is that going into the race, GP was the reigning champ and was coming off a a stakes win at Gulfstream so Moss has got to be given at least some credit for taking on that challenge and that challenge was a bigger one than Pepper's Pride ever took on.

[10 pnt move up]

Poll coming

Zenyatta to Pepper Pride : the more respected horse

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Poll coming

Zenyatta to Pepper Pride : the more respected horse

Why don't you name the poll: The more respected connections, after all thats what the argument is about. Unless the horses make the decisions on where they race.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Travis is saying that mentioning that Zenyatta going to Arkansas to beat Ginger Punch is a weak argument because obviously GP didn't run her race. I'm saying that you can't use the outcome of the race and hold that against Zenyatta. The fact is that going into the race, GP was the reigning champ and was coming off a a stakes win at Gulfstream so Moss has got to be given at least some credit for taking on that challenge and that challenge was a bigger one than Pepper's Pride ever took on.

Ok I just didnt understand the comparison, I thought Go for Wand was at her best that day and Bayakoa just was the better horse. They battled hard and GFW paid the ultimate price for her huge heart.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Ok I just didnt understand the comparison, I thought Go for Wand was at her best that day and Bayakoa just was the better horse. They battled hard and GFW paid the ultimate price for her huge heart.

The comparison was that the owners made the move in the first place and because GfW didn't finish the race, you can't hold that against Bayakoa's people sending her in the first place just like you can't hold it against Zenyatta's owners that Ginger Punch didn't run her race. Going out there in itself was taking on a challenge.

Bayakoa was not the better horse.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

She did beat up on this one horse named Ginger Punch in Arkansas. You might remember Ginger Punch's name. I think she was the reigning champion older mare. And I'm not sure but I think that Arkansas is not in California. But I'll get back to you on that.

I understand your point and agree with it to an extent but going to ridiculous extremes to try to make it doesn't make any sense.

So winning on rubber tires and B tracks makes a horse a Champion and a take on all comers at any track type of horse?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by kgar311

So winning on rubber tires and B tracks makes a horse a Champion and a take on all comers at any track type of horse?

I don't know if it makes a horse a champion but it sure as hell makes her better and her accomplishments better than a horse winning restricted stakes on a Z track.