Mine that Bird

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

send it in, just send it in, the more the better.

This horse sucks, in the end I said it after the derby its unlikely he wins another major race.

I totally disagree. Where the Derby came from, I don't know but it wasn't a Giacomo like disaster Derby at all. He ran a legit big time race and followed it up with a solid Preakness and Belmont. He isn't an alltime horse but he is much better than people are giving him credit for.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I totally disagree. Where the Derby came from, I don't know but it wasn't a Giacomo like disaster Derby at all. He ran a legit big time race and followed it up with a solid Preakness and Belmont. He isn't an alltime horse but he is much better than people are giving him credit for.

I feel like he is an average horse who got hot at the right time and will fade as quickly as he came. Giacomo for all he was not, he was consistent from 2-4 years old, Giacomo would have run down Big Drama IMO with that setup.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I totally disagree. Where the Derby came from, I don't know but it wasn't a Giacomo like disaster Derby at all. He ran a legit big time race and followed it up with a solid Preakness and Belmont. He isn't an alltime horse but he is much better than people are giving him credit for.

While I agree that he should be given a narrow pass for the WV Derby (even Pt Given narrowly won the Haskell over monsters like Touch Tone) take into consideration that even the horses who he finished in front of in races that played into his hands are not very good. The 2-3-4 finishers in the Derby 0-5since with most of those defeats being quite ugly.

I think the problem with him in the Travers is that he's going to run against current proven commodities like Kensei, horses who have potential like Warrior's Reward (who's a close 2nd to MTB in terms of wretched rides), and a potential monster like Quality Road.

It may not be that he's bad but the water is not as shallow now as it was on Derby day as he got the trip of a lifetime on a track that he loved.

NT