Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Stakes Archive
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-08-2009, 01:08 PM
Mike's Avatar
Mike Mike is offline
Oaklawn
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,308
Default

I'll do the Pick 3 that starts with the 8th, singling Our Golden Dream(15-1 ml odds) with Flashing in the Test; both Commentator and Dry Martini in the Whitney
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-08-2009, 05:00 PM
letswastemoney's Avatar
letswastemoney letswastemoney is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Turlock, CA
Posts: 2,561
Default

So....is Commentator done? Another subpar performance...
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-08-2009, 05:07 PM
The Indomitable DrugS's Avatar
The Indomitable DrugS The Indomitable DrugS is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,007
Default

That was just a terrible field in the Whitney.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-08-2009, 05:08 PM
NTamm1215 NTamm1215 is offline
Havre de Grace
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,629
Default

If that wasn't a perfect indictment of the absolute travesty that is the handicap division then I don't know what is.

NT
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-08-2009, 05:10 PM
Gauchos0522 Gauchos0522 is offline
Louisiana Downs
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: PA
Posts: 322
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by letswastemoney
So....is Commentator done? Another subpar performance...
How subpar was it really? Sure he's not nearly the horse he was the last couple years but he set a solid contested pace again today and was the only one of those 3 around in the lane to duke it out with the closers. It's not as though he can't compete within this year's BAD handicap division evidenced by Bullsbay just winning a G1. Regardless this was the horse's main goal so he's probably done anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-08-2009, 05:56 PM
Bobby Fischer's Avatar
Bobby Fischer Bobby Fischer is offline
Oaklawn
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,401
Default

how much the best was Macho Again? Tough ride. I like Bullsbay so i don't really mind, but MA was best.

Macho has as much natural talent and stamina as a lot of these, he just hasn't had the super-trainer effect.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-08-2009, 06:00 PM
randallscott35's Avatar
randallscott35 randallscott35 is offline
Idlewild Airport
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 9,687
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
how much the best was Macho Again? Tough ride. I like Bullsbay so i don't really mind, but MA was best.

Macho has as much natural talent and stamina as a lot of these, he just hasn't had the super-trainer effect.
Totally disagree. Much the best? If anything Rose moved early on Bullsbay.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-08-2009, 06:18 PM
Bobby Fischer's Avatar
Bobby Fischer Bobby Fischer is offline
Oaklawn
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,401
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by randallscott35
Totally disagree. Much the best? If anything Rose moved early on Bullsbay.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215
For a one-run plodder who needs a perfect setup to be even remotely successful, I thought he got his setup and ran his race.

I have no idea what's making you think he was much the best.

NT
Many ways to see a race, but it looked like Albarado misjudged the pace badly


wish i had bet the race, but i didn't.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-08-2009, 06:28 PM
Bobby Fischer's Avatar
Bobby Fischer Bobby Fischer is offline
Oaklawn
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,401
Default

^ and by misjudging the pace, I am not limiting it to the timing of the move, but more importantly here the initial positioning of the horse. Albarado started him terribly deep at 13.5 lengths. Not only was rose about 2 lengths better positioned (eyeing it says the optimum position may have been about 8.5 lengths back), Bullsbay also saved all the ground while Macho went 4 wide and slightly brushed.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-08-2009, 06:16 PM
NTamm1215 NTamm1215 is offline
Havre de Grace
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,629
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
how much the best was Macho Again? Tough ride. I like Bullsbay so i don't really mind, but MA was best.

Macho has as much natural talent and stamina as a lot of these, he just hasn't had the super-trainer effect.
For a one-run plodder who needs a perfect setup to be even remotely successful, I thought he got his setup and ran his race.

I have no idea what's making you think he was much the best.

NT
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-08-2009, 06:20 PM
RockHardTen1985 RockHardTen1985 is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,208
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215
For a one-run plodder who needs a perfect setup to be even remotely successful, I thought he got his setup and ran his race.

I have no idea what's making you think he was much the best.

NT
Agree.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-08-2009, 06:39 PM
freddymo freddymo is offline
Belmont Park
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,091
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215
For a one-run plodder who needs a perfect setup to be even remotely successful, I thought he got his setup and ran his race.

I have no idea what's making you think he was much the best.

NT
I think what Bobby meant to say was he was third best.why does Wolfson even try to win races in NY?? Steve please let him know there is a D barn in these parts.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-08-2009, 07:04 PM
NTamm1215 NTamm1215 is offline
Havre de Grace
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,629
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddymo
I think what Bobby meant to say was he was third best.why does Wolfson even try to win races in NY?? Steve please let him know there is a D barn in these parts.
I don't know Freddy, don't you think she ran pretty well given the break and the trip to Union Avenue on the turn?

By the way, raise your hand if you thought the final time was as sharp as it was in the Test?

NT
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-08-2009, 10:16 PM
boswd boswd is offline
Lincoln Fields
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Boston
Posts: 414
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
how much the best was Macho Again? Tough ride. I like Bullsbay so i don't really mind, but MA was best.

Macho has as much natural talent and stamina as a lot of these, he just hasn't had the super-trainer effect.
I agree it looked like Commentator disrupted Macho Again just enough to throw him off. He did look like he was closing very strong. I'd keep an eye on him going into Belmonts Fall meet.
__________________
"In sports there are just two Opening Days, the Opening Day of Baseball and Opeining Day of Saratoga, all the rest are just season openers"
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-08-2009, 10:33 PM
RockHardTen1985 RockHardTen1985 is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,208
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by boswd
I agree it looked like Commentator disrupted Macho Again just enough to throw him off. He did look like he was closing very strong. I'd keep an eye on him going into Belmonts Fall meet.
The fact that we are even discussing him as a horse to watch shows how bad the division is.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-09-2009, 08:33 AM
Cannon Shell's Avatar
Cannon Shell Cannon Shell is offline
Sha Tin
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,855
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
The fact that we are even discussing him as a horse to watch shows how bad the division is.
Did you take smart pills or something?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08-08-2009, 06:00 PM
ateamstupid's Avatar
ateamstupid ateamstupid is offline
Super Mod.. and Super Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 13,036
Default

What's fallen off worse, the older male division in racing or the heavyweight division in boxing?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08-08-2009, 06:01 PM
randallscott35's Avatar
randallscott35 randallscott35 is offline
Idlewild Airport
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 9,687
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid
What's fallen off worse, the older male division in racing or the heavyweight division in boxing?
LOL, cmon its boxing obviously. Its completely dead Joe.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:04 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.