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Old 08-03-2009, 10:17 PM
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it's conjecture that they're the best. she's stood the tests thrown at her, they didn't. i'm certainly not going to hold it against her that she hasn't faced horses that may, or may not, have had success in the spring classics. she's beaten everyone she's faced, handily, all year.
I don't hold it against her either and I don't think the results would have been any different had they been around. But I don't think you'd find anyone that would disagree that she hasn't faced the best of her generation.
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I don't hold it against her either and I don't think the results would have been any different had they been around. But I don't think you'd find anyone that would disagree that she hasn't faced the best of her generation.

she is the best of her generation. i want revenge looked average until his two unreal ny races. old fashioned didn't look as good as distances increased. the pamplemousse is hard to quantify...but winning big on synthetics doesn't mean he's the best of his generation-he never faced the best, so how can you give him that moniker? she's faced everything that came at her, and with amazing ease for the most part. i could argue that quality road won the amsterdam in fast time due to the track-i doubt you could say the same for rachel and her fast time in the haskell.
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Old 08-04-2009, 03:20 PM
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she is the best of her generation. i want revenge looked average until his two unreal ny races. old fashioned didn't look as good as distances increased. the pamplemousse is hard to quantify...but winning big on synthetics doesn't mean he's the best of his generation-he never faced the best, so how can you give him that moniker? she's faced everything that came at her, and with amazing ease for the most part. i could argue that quality road won the amsterdam in fast time due to the track-i doubt you could say the same for rachel and her fast time in the haskell.
I'm not sure what's being lost in this convo. I know she is the best of this class but if you happen to think that the next best horses in the class are Mine That Bird, Summer Bird, Munnings, Big Drama, and Musket Man, you'd be in the huge minority. I think the overwhelming majority would agree that the next best horses in this year's class after Rachel would include Quality Road, Dunkirk, I Want Revenge, The Pamplemousse, and Old Fashioned before they'd include the ones she has beaten. I'll say it again, I don't think she'd have any more problems with those that she hasn't faced than she has had with those that she has but I think the general consensus would say that she hasn't faced the best of her generation.
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