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Old 08-03-2009, 10:06 AM
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Hasnt been powerful in the ratings compared to what? The rest of the fall racing schedule? Or the zero rating it would get if it wasnt run? You arent asking people to tune in for 6 hours of covewrage iof they are interested in RA, just as the Super Bowl doesnt require the viewer to watch the pregame show. You are just missing the point that if she were to continue to win she would be a huge story going into the BC, especially so if Zenyatta and her were to meet in the Classic. Instead we will get neither and that isnt the fault of the Breeders Cup, it is the fault of the owners.
Sorry Chuck, but it comes down to the fact that they believe the BC is not a right fit for Rachel and it's it's their choice to make. As a horseman you make a choice every single day with your horses and I'm sure you've been wrong and you've been right.
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:15 AM
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Sorry Chuck, but it comes down to the fact that they believe the BC is not a right fit for Rachel and it's it's their choice to make. As a horseman you make a choice every single day with your horses and I'm sure you've been wrong and you've been right.
Please spare me the "its their horse routine". The guy basks in the glory of his "sporting gestures" (like running a horse in a race where she is 1/2) and yet he boycotts the BC? This isnt about what is right or wrong for the horse. It is about Jess, it always is. Why you dont see that I cant imagine.
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:24 AM
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Please spare me the "its their horse routine". The guy basks in the glory of his "sporting gestures" (like running a horse in a race where she is 1/2) and yet he boycotts the BC? This isnt about what is right or wrong for the horse. It is about Jess, it always is. Why you dont see that I cant imagine.

Even if it totally about Jess, which it very well may be, who cares. Your running her were see is 1/2 argument is bizarre at best. He ran a filly (3) in a race against whatever wanted to show up. Who wouldn't she be 1/2 against Fn Einstein on grass or Commentator after 12 weeks of rehab and a 1 turn mile with her getting the rail?? Again were do did you want her to go and didn't Jackson get Monmouth to boast the purse to attract as many as he could?.. Chuck Summer Bird is a nice colt, is has a bright future.. The derby winner could have run.. Drama could have run 1.25 is better the 750k especially for a gelding.
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:33 AM
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Even if it totally about Jess, which it very well may be, who cares. Your running her were see is 1/2 argument is bizarre at best. He ran a filly (3) in a race against whatever wanted to show up. Who wouldn't she be 1/2 against Fn Einstein on grass or Commentator after 12 weeks of rehab and a 1 turn mile with her getting the rail?? Again were do did you want her to go and didn't Jackson get Monmouth to boast the purse to attract as many as he could?.. Chuck Summer Bird is a nice colt, is has a bright future.. The derby winner could have run.. Drama could have run 1.25 is better the 750k especially for a gelding.
He ran her in a logical spot where she was an overwhelming favorite. That is not sporting, it is logical. Running her against this collection of boys is not exactly a stretch. Freddy, no one ran because of the extra 250k. While running her in the Preakness was not a slam dunk, this was.
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:38 AM
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He ran her in a logical spot where she was an overwhelming favorite. That is not sporting, it is logical. Running her against this collection of boys is not exactly a stretch. Freddy, no one ran because of the extra 250k. While running her in the Preakness was not a slam dunk, this was.
Logical is what her prior connections would have done and that is put her in the Alabama.
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:41 AM
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Logical is what her prior connections would have done and that is put her in the Alabama.
Regardless of what the previous connection may or may not have done the Haskell was a logical spot.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:08 AM
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Regardless of what the previous connection may or may not have done the Haskell was a logical spot.
So the correct way to campaign a horse is in illogical spots?

In that case, Jamie Sanders should have won the Eclipse a few years back!
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:51 AM
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He ran her in a logical spot where she was an overwhelming favorite. That is not sporting, it is logical. Running her against this collection of boys is not exactly a stretch. Freddy, no one ran because of the extra 250k. While running her in the Preakness was not a slam dunk, this was.

you are right he should have called and paid for all the other colts that had abilty to come an additional 25k beyond the 25k Monmouth GIVES any triple crown runner and also asked that Quality Road to heal faster so we could get him in too..Then he could have called Aidan o'brien up and offered to ship in a few from his barn and or matched the 1.25 purse if anyone beat his filly.. How much does purse money really mean to Ed Evan, Tabor, Live Oak, Shiek Mo, Phipps, Jess, Zayat..It's basically the carrot for trainers.. Hi I am Paul Reddam I am here for my check please..Your funny Bob and i care about purses because it matters.. Hi Charlotte here is your 87k for coming in 2nd...put it with the others on the table please.. Enough of this purse nonsense..

Nobody ran because they were running for second.. Rachel is currently the fastest 3 year old at 9'fs PERIOD..
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:35 AM
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you are right he should have called and paid for all the other colts that had abilty to come an additional 25k beyond the 25k Monmouth GIVES any triple crown runner and also asked that Quality Road to heal faster so we could get him in too..Then he could have called Aidan o'brien up and offered to ship in a few from his barn and or matched the 1.25 purse if anyone beat his filly.. How much does purse money really mean to Ed Evan, Tabor, Live Oak, Shiek Mo, Phipps, Jess, Zayat..It's basically the carrot for trainers.. Hi I am Paul Reddam I am here for my check please..Your funny Bob and i care about purses because it matters.. Hi Charlotte here is your 87k for coming in 2nd...put it with the others on the table please.. Enough of this purse nonsense..

Nobody ran because they were running for second.. Rachel is currently the fastest 3 year old at 9'fs PERIOD..
Please stop. The vast majority of owners (like 99%) need the purse money. No one said that yeah I'll run because of that extra $250k. Especially not the top 3 who were already pointing there and the rest who had little realistic shot of earning much of it.
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Old 08-03-2009, 04:26 PM
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Please stop. The vast majority of owners (like 99%) need the purse money. No one said that yeah I'll run because of that extra $250k. Especially not the top 3 who were already pointing there and the rest who had little realistic shot of earning much of it.
Perhaps we should revisit this insane comment.. Look at the participants in any 3 g1 races at three different tracks and tell me at least half of the owners don't have a net worth of over 250mil.. Perhaps you/we could review the stakes races at Saratoga yesterday tell me 99% of the owners gave a flying FCUK about purse money..How about todays Amsterdam.. Oh you are saying I am focusing on the big circuits...Well DAH that is were the major stakes are held.. Oh and Yesterdays haskell had a bunch of tee shirt and cell phone dudes pooling there 100's.. Your funny Chuck.. 99% of owners in Graded races care about the purse because win lose or draw it really fn matters.. lol The friggin guys who claimed the Teddy Drone winner for 18k give dam the rest of the field was billionaire B or C team..lol you crack me up
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:39 AM
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Brought my daughter out there after she finished 2nd in her equitation event.

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Old 08-03-2009, 10:42 AM
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