Does Mine That Bird Win Again?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I just don't understand how based on the last three years you could possibly keep the Foster a G1 while downgrading the Suburban. Both had a HOY win once in the past three years. The other two winners of the Foster were Seek Gold and Flashy Bull. The other two winners of the Suburban were Political Force and Frost Giant. Can you really say that the Foster was deserving of remaining a G1 while the Suburban had to be downgraded on the basis of the last three years?

If based on the past three years, neither is probably deserving of Grade I status. That being said, my sense is that the weakness of the Foster winners is a reflection of the weakness in the handicap division; the weakness of the Suburban winners is a reflection of a race that has fallen out of favor.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If based on the past three years, neither is probably deserving of Grade I status. That being said, my sense is that the weakness of the Foster winners is a reflection of the weakness in the handicap division; the weakness of the Suburban winners is a reflection of a race that has fallen out of favor.

It's a pretty sad state of racing when there is exactly one 10 furlong Grade 1 left for open competition on the dirt. There are more 10 furlong G1's restricted to 3yo fillies on the dirt.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It's a pretty sad state of racing when there is exactly one 10 furlong Grade 1 left for open competition on the dirt. There are more 10 furlong G1's restricted to 3yo fillies on the dirt.

And the CCA Oaks is another historic race that is probably no longer deserving of its Grade I status.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

And the CCA Oaks is another historic race that is probably no longer deserving of its Grade I status.

I am not sure the tiarra needs to be deleted from the future. Just because it had a suspect field doesn't mean you toss the baby out with the bath water

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I am not sure the tiarra needs to be deleted from the future. Just because it had a suspect field doesn't mean you toss the baby out with the bath water

What Tiara? The Acorn, Mother Goose and CCA Oaks. Or the other one that NYRA promoted consisting of the Mother Goose, CCA Oaks and Alabama?

I'm not suggesting that they do away with the CCA Oaks. I'm just saying that its recent renewals do not justify Grade I status.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

What Tiara? The Acorn, Mother Goose and CCA Oaks. Or the other one that NYRA promoted consisting of the Mother Goose, CCA Oaks and Alabama?

I'm not suggesting that they do away with the CCA Oaks. I'm just saying that its recent renewals do not justify Grade I status.

Why the retards that run the sport havent come up with a fillies version of the TC is beyond me. They could use the KY Oaks, Mother Goose and Alabama since MD cant be counted on to run a race not named the Preakness in consecutive years. Tie them together with some sponsor/bonus and televise them on Bravo. Just as NYRA needs to work a little harder to keep the Travers as the 4th "classic". If Rachel Alexander runs vs MTB and SB with all three TC race winners you have a huge race. No RA? It is just another overpriced grade 1 without the best horses. While SS and Bernardini were arguably the top three year olds the year they won it, the fields behind them weren't great and last year was close, it wasnt the top horses.

Just a thought, what in the world were Summer Bird and Mine that Birds connections think when they skipped the Jim Dandy in favor of obviously worse spots for their horses?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The Mine That Bird that ran at Mountaineer on Saturday wasn't contending in what turned out a surprisingly swiftly run Jim Dandy.

[reese]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why the retards that run the sport havent come up with a fillies version of the TC is beyond me. They could use the KY Oaks, Mother Goose and Alabama since MD cant be counted on to run a race not named the Preakness in consecutive years. Tie them together with some sponsor/bonus and televise them on Bravo. Just as NYRA needs to work a little harder to keep the Travers as the 4th "classic". If Rachel Alexander runs vs MTB and SB with all three TC race winners you have a huge race. No RA? It is just another overpriced grade 1 without the best horses. While SS and Bernardini were arguably the top three year olds the year they won it, the fields behind them weren't great and last year was close, it wasnt the top horses.

Just a thought, what in the world were Summer Bird and Mine that Birds connections think when they skipped the Jim Dandy in favor of obviously worse spots for their horses?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ had to figure into the initial race selection for both with the 1.25M Haskell and the 750k WVD vs 500k for JD.
Either of the two probably had, as you point out, a better chance of winning the JD over Kensai who appears to be a "sprinter type".

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Just a thought, what in the world were Summer Bird and Mine that Birds connections think when they skipped the Jim Dandy in favor of obviously worse spots for their horses?

Maybe they thought Quality Road was going to show up in the Dandy.

Mine That Bird's connections correctly thought it would be easier pickings for a higher purse in the West Virginia Derby. That got that part right, but they didn't take into account there would be no pace. They probably thought at least one local speedball with distance limitations would show up hoping to hang on for third-place money, and that local would keep Big Drama honest.

As for Summer Bird, his connections want to stay in contention for an Eclipse and figured it was a win-win situation by running in the Haskell. If he won, he just beat the now horse. If he ran second to the filly, who could hold it against him since she is a superhorse, and besides, he outfinished every colt in the race.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If based on the past three years, neither is probably deserving of Grade I status. That being said, my sense is that the weakness of the Foster winners is a reflection of the weakness in the handicap division; the weakness of the Suburban winners is a reflection of a race that has fallen out of favor.

Based upon the quality of the older horse division in the US the last 2 years, no 3 and up race should be a Grade 1. The grading system is a huge waste of time and misleading anyway.