Rachel Alexandra (116 Beyer for Haskell)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I agree on your Asmussen/Poly angle..I just think it would have more merit if he had more than 3 months to mess her up.

Try six months.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Try six months.

Wouldn't you like the chance to be proven right?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Wouldn't you like the chance to be proven right?

Putting myself in the connections shoes - I wouldn't even have run her in the Haskell .. she'd have been in the Del Cap or got another chance for a 20 length Grade 1 against the great Funny Moon.

Putting myself in Asmussen's shoes regarding synthetic tracks ... it's like a new bar comes to town and every time you go there - someone takes you outside and kicks your ass. After that happens enough you avoid the place.

But yeah, I'd like to bet against her. Sure. But as a fan, I don't want to see her embarassed.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Putting myself in the connections shoes - I wouldn't even have run her in the Haskell .. she'd have been in the Del Cap or got another chance for a 20 length Grade 1 against the great Funny Moon.

Putting myself in Asmussen's shoes regarding synthetic tracks ... it's like a new bar comes to town and every time you go there - someone takes you outside and kicks your ass. After that happens enough you avoid the place.

But yeah, I'd like to bet against her. Sure. But as a fan, I don't want to see her embarassed.

Pretty much how I feel.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Putting myself in the connections shoes - I wouldn't even have run her in the Haskell .. she'd have been in the Del Cap or got another chance for a 20 length Grade 1 against the great Funny Moon.

Putting myself in Asmussen's shoes regarding synthetic tracks ... it's like a new bar comes to town and every time you go there - someone takes you outside and kicks your ass. After that happens enough you avoid the place.

But yeah, I'd like to bet against her. Sure. But as a fan, I don't want to see her embarassed.

I bet Assmussen would go there if Dr Dirt would let him.and wait a minute, if you could knock down a big ticket since when have you cared about embarassment

I really don't get it...if the agenda is to rid the World of Poly, that's fine, but RA not running in the BC ain't going to change a thing.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I bet Assmussen would go there if Dr Dirt would let him.and wait a minute, if you could knock down a big ticket since when have you cared about embarassment

I really don't get it...if the agenda is to rid the World of Poly, that's fine, but RA not running in the BC ain't going to change a thing.

It might make those geniuses running the BC think twice about holding the event at poly facility (especially in back to back years).

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

It might make those geniuses running the BC think twice about holding the event at poly facility (especially in back to back years).

They won't do that again...guaranteed..so..next? Sorry Matt..but everyone needs to look at the big picture here and get rid of their hard ons for poly and the BC.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by GBBob

They won't do that again...guaranteed..so..next? Sorry Matt..but everyone needs to look at the big picture here and get rid of their hard ons for poly and the BC.

I have nothing against poly but it should be its own race on its on track. Dirt horses aren't forced to run on grass.. So why should dirt horses be forced to run on poly. If you have to have Poly races race them a different day at a different facilty.. The introduction of a unique third surface is fracturing racing further.. You not milk, you are not meat, your poly.. If Belmont or Woodbine replaces a turf course with poly/or back to dirt then you can BC all at one place.. I see know reason to force dirt horses to compete on poly. To me California really f'd up racing

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by GBBob

They won't do that again...guaranteed..so..next? Sorry Matt..but everyone needs to look at the big picture here and get rid of their hard ons for poly and the BC.

I personally don't hate poly. I understand that it's here to stay, so you just adapt. My problem with it, is the way it was jammed down everyones throat. One day out of nowhere it was deemed to be better and safer than dirt and every track in California was getting it.
Of course it would be great for the game if Rachel ran in the BC (especially the classic). And the BC people should do whatever they can to get her there. But unfortunately Assmussen is the guy holding all the cards here. Maybe he is holding out for another track such as Monmouth/Meadowlands or Mountaineer to create a stakes race (like they did for Big Brown) and give him and Jackson a blank check to run her at their track BC weekend. If that doesn't materialize he could always decide to go to Santa Anita. Or then again he could just take his ball and go home, in that case everyone loses.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I bet Assmussen would go there if Dr Dirt would let him.and wait a minute, if you could knock down a big ticket since when have you cared about embarassment

I really don't get it...if the agenda is to rid the World of Poly, that's fine, but RA not running in the BC ain't going to change a thing.

This is true, but if you don't believe in a decision and have the right to decide against it, wouldn't you?

[freddymo]

I hope she blows off the BC Cup.. They have no business running at SA back to back.. They should let the Euro's come and blow away all the crap that we have here for Poly/Pro Ride. Save Zenyatta who cares how well Dry friggin Martini runs in the BC Classic. I am looking more forward to the BC jumps in Far Hills in October then I am the friggin 2 year old turf race... Seriously a 2 year old turf championship race.. Bob has there been a two year old significant turf race in the US this year yet? It's August

If someone was smart at NYRA they would hook a big time sponsor for 3mil race and get Zenyatta and Rachel together..maybe even throw in a few colt slugs to fill the field. race it at Belmont in late Sept. and make the BC an afterthought.. Obviously the NTRA would punish NYRA and the next time they got the BC would be 2000 and dead.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I hope she blows off the BC Cup.. They have no business running at SA back to back.. They should let the Euro's come and blow away all the crap that we have here for Poly/Pro Ride. Save Zenyatta who cares how well Dry friggin Martini runs in the BC Classic. I am looking more forward to the BC jumps in Far Hills in October then I am the friggin 2 year old turf race... Seriously a 2 year old turf championship race.. Bob has there been a two year old significant turf race in the US this year yet? It's August

If someone was smart at NYRA they would hook a big time sponsor for 3mil race and get Zenyatta and Rachel together..maybe even throw in a few colt slugs to fill the field. race it at Belmont in late Sept. and make the BC an afterthought.. Obviously the NTRA would punish NYRA and the next time they got the BC would be 2000 and dead.

Screw the NTRA. Screw the BC. I love this idea. Only they should do it on BC Day. Get the Dubai people involved.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by justindew

Screw the NTRA. Screw the BC. I love this idea. Only they should do it on BC Day. Get the Dubai people involved.

The BC should be moved permanently to Churchill. It is a neutral site as far as the East Coast-West Coast rivalry goes, has good surfaces, the Euros like the weather, and the facility can handle the crowds.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I hope she blows off the BC Cup.. They have no business running at SA back to back.. They should let the Euro's come and blow away all the crap that we have here for Poly/Pro Ride. Save Zenyatta who cares how well Dry friggin Martini runs in the BC Classic. I am looking more forward to the BC jumps in Far Hills in October then I am the friggin 2 year old turf race... Seriously a 2 year old turf championship race.. Bob has there been a two year old significant turf race in the US this year yet? It's August

If someone was smart at NYRA they would hook a big time sponsor for 3mil race and get Zenyatta and Rachel together..maybe even throw in a few colt slugs to fill the field. race it at Belmont in late Sept. and make the BC an afterthought.. Obviously the NTRA would punish NYRA and the next time they got the BC would be 2000 and dead.

My greyhound could beat most two year old turf horses..understood..it's a different timeline than "dirt" horses for the most part. But there are better ways to take a stand against the BC and Poly than let your sport's biggest star boycott a race..that's all I'm saying.

[2MinsToPost]

My only 2 cents to add on this thread is that I will always remember Rags2Riches beating the guys.

Bring on a great matchup gal versus guys - LOVE it! Must add it will / should be great for the sport

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by GBBob

My greyhound could beat most two year old turf horses..understood..it's a different timeline than "dirt" horses for the most part. But there are better ways to take a stand against the BC and Poly than let your sport's biggest star boycott a race..that's all I'm saying.

It would suck..She is a huge star and she is on the raise.. Isn't it the Moss's responsiblity to get her(Zenyatta) out of California. Enough already. She is a huge star as well. These people have made millions in the game. I might add they have given back on coutless ocassions. They are charitable people who care about the sport. Hence, get your friggin mare on a plane and race her on dirt again against Rachel. IF they do that, then I would hope Jess jackson would see fit to go to the BC and challenge her on her home turf/poly..