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Old 07-31-2009, 01:49 PM
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until they get the players union to ease up on proecting the users...2003 and beyond means nothing!
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Old 07-31-2009, 01:55 PM
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until they get the players union to ease up on proecting the users...2003 and beyond means nothing!
And 1990 through 2002 means something?
You think Roger Clemens didnt help the Yankess win twice?
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:24 PM
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And 1990 through 2002 means something?
You think Roger Clemens didnt help the Yankess win twice?
we can talk 'ad nausem' about this subject, but remember that while attendance soared and personal fortunes were made...the only ones who got boned were the fans who believed in the players and their teams.
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Does Pedro Martinez belong in the hall of fame? Roger Clemens?
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I put any player that was among the most dominant of their era up for consideration. For me, they both go in as do Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, and Rodriguez.
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I put any player that was among the most dominant of their era up for consideration. For me, they both go in as do Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, and Rodriguez.
no way sosa belongs even if he wasnt on roids
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no way sosa belongs even if he wasnt on roids
Seriously?
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:13 AM
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no way sosa belongs even if he wasnt on roids
I think this is crazy. If you are saying that without the drugs, he wouldn't have had the numbers he had, that's one thing. If you are saying that had he put up those numbers clean, he still wouldn't belong, that's incredible.
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I think this is crazy. If you are saying that without the drugs, he wouldn't have had the numbers he had, that's one thing. If you are saying that had he put up those numbers clean, he still wouldn't belong, that's incredible.

i def worded it wrong. the roids put up those numbers.
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