NBA Summer League in LV

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

My point with Bayless is that he needed to play more which he obviously would have in college. You cant help who drafts you but he seems like the type of player who is only going to get better by seeing minutes.

But I'm saying that by playing in college and getting minutes, it may have further hurt him. Take a guy like Harold Miner. I played against him in high school and he was a terror. Same thing when he want to college. But his college coach did him no favors by playing him the way he did. Anyone that watched knew that he wasn't going to be the type of post up player in the pros that he was in college. He needed to be working on what he would need to be good at on the next level. But instead, the coach used him in the way that was best for his team's success and not for Miner's future. I'm not saying he was wrong to do so but that's what happened. When Miner got to the NBA and had to play guard, he couldn't do it. By contrast, you look at how Curry was used at Davidson last year. Partly out of necessity but partly because he was helping him, the coach played Curry at the point to give him experience at the position he'd have to play in the NBA. If Bayless would have had a coach like Miner did, he might have gotten a lot of minutes and free reign of an offense but never had to develop the point guard skills. That would be fine if he went to a team that needed a shooting guard. Not so much by going to Portland. So college wouldn't have improved him, in my opinion, unless he would have been used as a point guard, which he more than likely wouldn't have been. I think he could play good minutes for someone in the NBA right now as a two guard.

[Antitrust32]

Is Jrue Holliday at the camp King? If you've seen him please let me know what you think.

I think the pick might be a bust...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Is Jrue Holliday at the camp King? If you've seen him please let me know what you think.

I think the pick might be a bust...

Philly and the Nets had a combined team in Orlando Summer league.

[Cannon Shell]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...Rookies-090717


1. Blake Griffin, Clippers
There is nothing left for Griffin to prove this summer. He is the most talented rookie and he plays the hardest, too; an exceptional combination. Veterans around the league should take note: This is not your typical rookie, and he'll provide them with bruises and posterizing moments to prove it.

2. James Harden, Thunder
He plays like a 10-year vet -- nothing is rushed or forced -- and he was the best passer on the floor every time he suited up. Factor in his ability to shoot, score and make plays on both sides of the ball, and the case can be made that he should have gone No. 2 overall in the draft.

3. Tyreke Evans, Kings
Can he crush opponents as a scorer? Yes. Is he a triple-double threat? Yes. Will he have a chance to break some kind of rookie free throws-per-game record? Perhaps. Sure, Evans has a lot to learn about playing the point guard position, but with his enormous talent, he's starting with very high expectations.

4. Tyler Hansbrough, Pacers
He was not the most efficient scorer in Orlando, but those of us who watched him know just how effective he was for the Pacers. His energy not only hurt his opponents
5. DeMar DeRozan, Raptors
Smooth and patient, with explosiveness and a sweet jumper. I love how DeRozan rarely dribbled himself into trouble and how crafty he proved to be around the hoop. And he rebounded and defended, too. He looks like he'll be able to contribute earlier than expected.

6. Toney Douglas, Knicks
I've tried to avoid citing statistics in summer league because I'm not sure they are that accurate, but I've witnessed Douglas' masterful execution of the Knicks' offense: 22 assists to just two turnovers so far. He has also shown the defensive chops everyone talked about before the draft.

7. DaJuan Summers, Pistons
He is sneaky good and played intelligently all week. He was outstanding in three of his four games in Vegas, where he wasn't focused just on scoring.

8. Austin Daye, Pistons
It's fair to suggest that Joe Dumars had an excellent draft. Daye is talented, as everyone knew, but he's also tougher than he looks. His biggest problem -- turnovers -- is mostly a result of his lack of strength. But when he gets bigger, watch out.

9. Darren Collison, Hornets
He easily could have been in the top six of this list. I love how he controlled his team and created all sorts of scoring opportunities for his teammates. He also played really well with Marcus Thornton -- the two rooks have potential as a backcourt tandem off the bench this season.

10. Jodie Meeks, Bucks
Meeks earned bucket after bucket this week, from near and far. He has a powerful body and a pure shooter's stroke. And he plays with supreme confidence

[King Glorious]

Here's my ranking of the top 15 rookies from the league:

1. Blake Griffin
2. Tyreke Evans
3. DeMar DeRozan
4. James Johnson
5. Ty Lawson
6. Jodie Meeks
7. Jordan Hill
8. Jonny Flynn
9. Darren Collison
10. Brandon Jennings
11. Rodrigue Beaubois
12. Dante Cunningham
13. Austin Daye
14. James Harden
15. Chase Budinger

Also played well (not in order)
Earl Clark, Toney Douglas, Wayne Ellington, Stephen Curry, Sam Young, Dejuan Blair, Marcus Thornton, DeJaun Summers, Jeff Adrien, Darrell Arthur

Played really bad ball
Hasheem Thabeet, BJ Mullens, Alade Aminu, Tyrese Rice