Cap and Trade vote on Friday

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think it's fair to say that Liberal and Bush are easily interchanged with Republican and Obama. There is no more unbending group that hard core conservatives...they may be "right" on some stuff, but I never hear they are wrong, unsure or bending on anything. It's attack mode 24/7 and everyone else is a moron.

There may be some truth to this however on this topic liberals like Riot (yes you are a liberal) seem to think that they can't possibly be wrong. And if anyone disagrees with them they are either a brainwashed conservative that does not "believe" in science or is simply getting all of their info from biased scientists that are on the Fox network payroll.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There may be some truth to this however on this topic liberals like Riot (yes you are a liberal) seem to think that they can't possibly be wrong. And if anyone disagrees with them they are either a brainwashed conservative that does not "believe" in science or is simply getting all of their info from biased scientists that are on the Fox network payroll.

LOL - not according to what I believe politically. You're just incensed I (or anyone) likes Obama, and you think "liberal" is a dirty word

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - not according to what I believe politically. You're just incensed I (or anyone) likes Obama, and you think "liberal" is a dirty word

the first day you thought Jimmy Carter had a deep understanding of 'anything' was the day you popped your liberal cherry.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

the first day you thought Jimmy Carter had a deep understanding of 'anything' was the day you popped your liberal cherry.

Playboy?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

the first day you thought Jimmy Carter had a deep understanding of 'anything' was the day you popped your liberal cherry.

"Don't touch me. I'm a nuclear engineer, and I'm pretty worried right now."

SNL Pepsi Syndrome

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

the first day you thought Jimmy Carter had a deep understanding of 'anything' was the day you popped your liberal cherry.

Coming from the guy for which it took multiple posts, in several threads, until he understood what my original post actually said and didn't say - I'm proud of you

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - not according to what I believe politically. You're just incensed I (or anyone) likes Obama, and you think "liberal" is a dirty word

You may personally "like" Obama but based upon his agenda thus far it would be a stretch to say that there is much of anything that a card carrying member of the GOP that you proclaim to be would be in favor of.

[gales0678]

obama right now is 1 and done

ain't no way cap and trade is passing

health care will die on the house floor

here come Jeb , here comes Jeb

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You may personally "like" Obama but based upon his agenda thus far it would be a stretch to say that there is much of anything that a card carrying member of the GOP that you proclaim to be would be in favor of.

the problem for the g.o.p. is that the requirements for carrying that card keep getting increasingly narrow.

i don't think democrats need much of a strategy beyond waiting for the g.o.p. to define themselves as a regional party consisting of old white southern males.

unless they manage to unhitch themselves from a radical agenda dictated by rush, sean, and the rest of the fair and balanced crowd the future of the g.o.p is defined by demographics.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You may personally "like" Obama but based upon his agenda thus far it would be a stretch to say that there is much of anything that a card carrying member of the GOP that you proclaim to be would be in favor of.

Yes, I like Obama alot. Yes, alot of what he's doing is different from what I basically believe, but the state of the world and the country are different right now, too. It's quite a mess.

I have no desire to stand upon partisan ideology just for ideology's sake, and I absolutely support the basics of what is being done.

There's plenty of others, Senators and Congressmen, making complete fools of themselves in the name of partisan politics right now, placing partisan politics ahead of the welfare of the country. I won't vote for them again. Plenty of non-extreme, non-stupid GOP out there.

Yup. I'm GOP through and through. We just have to get the party back from the right-wing extremist nut jobs that have become so vocal these past 5-8 years.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, I like Obama alot. Yes, alot of what he's doing is different from what I basically believe, but the state of the world and the country are different right now, too. It's quite a mess.

I have no desire to stand upon partisan ideology just for ideology's sake, and I absolutely support the basics of what is being done.
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Kind of like the feeling of free-falling with no parachute?

Hint the GOP's substance is ideology and conservative beliefs and for you to like and absolutely support what Obama is doing while those things he is doing differ from what you believe in, makes the point we need a third, fourth and maybe fifth party. Maybe the Gov. could finance that project? When pigs fly!!!!

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Kind of like the feeling of free-falling with no parachute?

Hint the GOP's substance is ideology and conservative beliefs and for you to like and absolutely support what Obama is doing while those things he is doing differ from what you believe in, makes the point we need a third, fourth and maybe fifth party. Maybe the Gov. could finance that project? When pigs fly!!!!

please keep reminding people like riot they don't really belong.

you don't need them muddying things up.

i'm sure the demo's will take all the blue dogs, hispanics, conservative gays, and other libertarians that don't pass muster with your increasingly radicalized party.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

please keep reminding people like riot they don't really belong.

you don't need them muddying things up.

i'm sure the demo's will take all the blue dogs, hispanics, conservative gays, and other libertarians that don't pass muster with your increasingly radicalized party.

Those in the GOP that act like that are not the majority, they are the minority. They only got that voice in the past 6-8 years, too. The question is - will the majority of the party abandon, or re-take the party? No good leadership right now.

Edit: many of the most crazy are literally old, and dying off. However, Audra wasn't a vote of confidence in the future. But everyone that voted against her, was.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

please keep reminding people like riot they don't really belong..

Carter + Obama = Don't let the GOP door hit you in the a$$.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Hint the GOP's substance is ideology and conservative beliefs and for you to like and absolutely support what Obama is doing while those things he is doing differ from what you believe in, makes the point we need a third, fourth and maybe fifth party.

Only if one subscribes to extremely narrow and rigid viewpoints. That's far from the majority of Americans.

You should read the GOP platform points in detail. You may get a better idea of it's "substance".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, I like Obama alot. Yes, alot of what he's doing is different from what I basically believe, but the state of the world and the country are different right now, too. It's quite a mess.

I have no desire to stand upon partisan ideology just for ideology's sake, and I absolutely support the basics of what is being done.

There's plenty of others, Senators and Congressmen, making complete fools of themselves in the name of partisan politics right now, placing partisan politics ahead of the welfare of the country. I won't vote for them again. Plenty of non-extreme, non-stupid GOP out there.

Yup. I'm GOP through and through. We just have to get the party back from the right-wing extremist nut jobs that have become so vocal these past 5-8 years.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...588765812.html

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...588765812.html

And the Bio of this piece?...come on..

William McGurn is a Vice President at News Corporation who writes speeches for CEO Rupert Murdoch. Previously he served as Chief Speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

And the Bio of this piece?...come on..

William McGurn is a Vice President at News Corporation who writes speeches for CEO Rupert Murdoch. Previously he served as Chief Speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

Shoot the messenger....but what did he say that wasn't factual or true? It isn't easy to find political commentary that isnt going to be considered biased. The issue at the core of the piece is still there. Obama is not who he said he was. Bipartisan, LOL. He is the MOST partisan President perhaps ever.