Manny Robbed

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think anyone is saying that the Jays would trade Halladay unless they give up at least 2 of those guys. Most young pitchers that recover quickly from TJ surgery arent that big of a reinjury risk.

It might be true Chuck but I am curious about where you saw that? That procedure for reconstruction of the shoulder is still considered about as complicated a surgical procedure as there is in orthopedics. It would stand to reason that the more work done on an area of the body the more likely you are to have a subsequent complication. Another example of this is the subdsequent obstructions that occur following any intrabdominal or pelvic surgery 5, 10, 20 years later etc. Once a virgin abdomen is no longer without a scar the likelihood of a subsequent small bowel obstruction goes up as much as 100 fold. A young kid who has that much work on a dominant arm would be likely to have later fraying or other issues......but if you know of data otherwise I would love to see it.

The whole Tommy John labeling of the operation is fairly ironic as the guy wasn't a flame thrower but more of a cerebral pitcher who changed speeds and threw more junk than Jamie Moyer in a monsoon. This is one of the few times a procedure is named after the patient instead of the doc who invented it......very unusual but kinda cool as well.

[3kings]

Chuck,

I was at a Rochester Redwing game last week and saw Danny Valencia (Twin prospect) play and thought he looked like a big time prospect. He made a couple of great plays in the field and the ball jumped off his bat. Do you have any info on him? Was just curious, thanks.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Chuck,

I was at a Rochester Redwing game last week and saw Danny Valencia (Twin prospect) play and thought he looked like a big time prospect. He made a couple of great plays in the field and the ball jumped off his bat. Do you have any info on him? Was just curious, thanks.

Was Twins number 3 prospect coming into the season.

Danny Valencia, 3B
DOB: 9/19/84
Height/Weight: 6-2/200
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: 19th round, 2006, University of Miami
2008 Stats: .336/.402/.518, .274 EqA at High-A (60 G); .289/.334/.485, .247 EqA at Double-A (69 G)
Last Year's Ranking: Not Ranked

Year in Review: This once lightly regarded organizational player continued to put up impressive numbers in 2008 while turning scouts into true believers.
The Good: Valencia's hitting skills rank with anyone's in the system other than Revere's. He's "aggressively patient" at the plate, looking for pitches to drive, using all fields, and showcasing average power with the occasional ability to crush mistakes. He's a solid third baseman who makes all of the plays he gets to while featuring a plus arm.
The Bad: There are no real weaknesses to his game, but then he doesn't have massive tools or significant upside potential either. He's a tick below average as a baserunner, and his range at third is average at best.
Fun Fact: No player signed as the 576th overall pick has ever reached the big leagues. (The Cubs selected Micah Owings with the selection in 2004, but he didn't sign.)
Perfect World Projection: He's a solid mid-pack third baseman.
Glass Half Empty: He'll be a good utility player at both corners, though his right-handedness could make that a tougher road to travel.
Path to the Big Leagues: It's wide open; the Twins enter camp without a real answer at third base.
Timetable: Because of his age, Valencia could get jumped to Triple-A Rochester to begin the year as the Twins want to see if he could ready to fill their hole at the hot corner.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Was Manny's night last night, and yes, Gales, it was a full house(Manny Bobblehead.) His pinch hit grand slam was a riot.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Was Manny's night last night, and yes, Gales, it was a full house(Manny Bobblehead.) His pinch hit grand slam was a riot.

best team in baseball , lakers over , no sc footbal yet , place s/b full everynight scuds

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

best team in baseball , lakers over , no sc footbal yet , place s/b full everynight scuds

Only losers go to USC football games

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Only losers go to USC football games

This is true.....

Oh by the way Scuds favorite player has been re-called and actually started. Hit a meaningless single for a 1-3 night. Might actually get a couple of more starts while Rowand is wounded.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

It might be true Chuck but I am curious about where you saw that? That procedure for reconstruction of the shoulder is still considered about as complicated a surgical procedure as there is in orthopedics. It would stand to reason that the more work done on an area of the body the more likely you are to have a subsequent complication. Another example of this is the subdsequent obstructions that occur following any intrabdominal or pelvic surgery 5, 10, 20 years later etc. Once a virgin abdomen is no longer without a scar the likelihood of a subsequent small bowel obstruction goes up as much as 100 fold. A young kid who has that much work on a dominant arm would be likely to have later fraying or other issues......but if you know of data otherwise I would love to see it.

The whole Tommy John labeling of the operation is fairly ironic as the guy wasn't a flame thrower but more of a cerebral pitcher who changed speeds and threw more junk than Jamie Moyer in a monsoon. This is one of the few times a procedure is named after the patient instead of the doc who invented it......very unusual but kinda cool as well.

TJ is an elbow surgery.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=3486

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0228075730.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0712090831.htm

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

TJ is an elbow surgery.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=3486

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0228075730.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0712090831.htm

Comeback To A Pre-injury Level Disappointing For Professional Baseball Players (Mar. 9, 2008) — Only forty-five percent of baseball players were able to return to the game at the same or higher level after shoulder or elbow surgery. Researchers found that overall, only 20 of the 44 players ...

Your right Chuck it's really not a surgery on the shoulder but not really a surgery on the elbow with the forearm tendon split and figure of 8 tendon wrap until the vascular supply takes hold. It's really kinda in no mans land below the shoulder and above the elbow but the point I thought the article or reviews were making were 1) It's done on an awful lot of kids and maybe too many and 2) One of your articles seems to imply that alot of kids never get back to where they were as pitchers strength and velocity wise.

With the recent decline if the Red Sox baseball is tough for me to stomach....they looked absolutely putrid against Texas.