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[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know about the first thing but I remember hearing the 2nd thing.. Bush, just like Obama, never controlled oil prices or had/has the ability to control the prices.

We really should be getting oil from our own damn country instead of letting foreigners take all our damn money from the pump (robbing our wallets).

Gas is WAY to expensive right now. I want to know what it cost the last time the market was at 8300. Shoot at least last year when they were WAY WAY WAY too high the market was like 12000.

Just looked it up.. for a minute in Oct 2002 the market was around 8300 and gas prices were around 1.50 though other than that it was >1998 when the market was this low, and gas prices were in 1998 1.03 per gallon.


Gas should be no more than 1.75 a gallon right now. Its basically stealing.

I respectfully disagree..you look at long term inflation charts and gas is the only commodity, or basically product of any kind that is still under the average inflation increase. It SHOULD be $4.00 or 5.00 a gallon and maybe that would be in all of our best interests. Kind of painful, but sure would make people walk more, idle less, use public transportation more and stop bitching about the cost of what is still the best bargain around.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I respectfully disagree..you look at long term inflation charts and gas is the only commodity, or basically product of any kind that is still under the average inflation increase. It SHOULD be $4.00 or 5.00 a gallon and maybe that would be in all of our best interests. Kind of painful, but sure would make people walk more, idle less, use public transportation more and stop bitching about the cost of what is still the best bargain around.

Yeah, I agree, tax the crap out of it and that should be the money being used for pushing alternate energy. The sooner we break our need for foreign oil the better off we will be.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, I agree, tax the crap out of it and that should be the money being used for pushing alternate energy. The sooner we break our need for foreign oil the better off we will be.

Yep, any gas price beyond $3 should go 5% for something useful(attack deficit n' alternate energy incentives,) and 5% for oil company profits. Need to do something to protect the industries that are totally reliant on fuel(trucking, airlines etc.) Use that 5% for something other than making pigs fatter.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, I agree, tax the crap out of it and that should be the money being used for pushing alternate energy. The sooner we break our need for foreign oil the better off we will be.

they already tax the crap out of it. like 1/4 of what we pay at the pump is taxes.


We dont need foreign oil... its right here. we just dont do anything with it.

Its the only smart thing Sarah Palin has ever said.

I'm okay with alternate energy when we actually have the resources and a freakin plan for it.. oh yeah.. and the money for it. its a real bad idea right now.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

they already tax the crap out of it. like 1/4 of what we pay at the pump is taxes.

Only 18.4 cents per gallon is federal taxes. The federal government could be taking a far greater share of the pie.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Only 18.4 cents per gallon is federal taxes. The federal government could be taking a far greater share of the pie.

Here in Cali the combined total between state and federal is about 62 cents per gallon.....the gas station down the road from me is charging 2.79 a gallon right now.

[rpncaine]

$2.31 per gallon/regular here in Indy.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Honu

Here in Cali the combined total between state and federal is about 62 cents per gallon.....the gas station down the road from me is charging 2.79 a gallon right now.

Yup, and your wonderful state government is taking 44 cents per gallon of it. The feds are only getting 18.4.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yup, and your wonderful state government is taking 44 cents per gallon of it. The feds are only getting 18.4.

I want to buy a barrel of gas and put it in my backyard. Wonder if that is even possible.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yup, and your wonderful state government is taking 44 cents per gallon of it. The feds are only getting 18.4.

Government is government either way .

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, I agree, tax the crap out of it and that should be the money being used for pushing alternate energy. The sooner we break our need for foreign oil the better off we will be.

Nice to see a left leaning member advocate a regressive tax hike. So much for the poor and middle class!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Nice to see a left leaning member advocate a regressive tax hike. So much for the poor and middle class!

its okay

we can walk and take the bus like Bob said eventhough there isnt a bus near me and I'd have to walk 5 miles to work. & its freaking hot in florida, even early in the morn!

guess I can get a bicycle.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

its okay

we can walk and take the bus like Bob said eventhough there isnt a bus near me and I'd have to walk 5 miles to work. & its freaking hot in florida, even early in the morn!

guess I can get a bicycle.

It's more directed at all the lazy asses in my neighborhood who drive their kids 5 blocks to school every day, sit and idle waiting to drop them off and then do it all over again each afternoon. 180 school days a year..and no, they aren't on their way to work or anything...just drive back home.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's more directed at all the lazy asses in my neighborhood who drive their kids 5 blocks to school every day, sit and idle waiting to drop them off and then do it all over again each afternoon. 180 school days a year..and no, they aren't on their way to work or anything...just drive back home.

i agree with you on this (except during winter up there I'd rather drive and idle)... though a year ago I did live a 7 minute walk from work and drove there... BUT.. I just couldnt justify waking up 5 minutes earlier than I already have to, and being sweaty and smelly after just taking a shower. mostly is was the waking up 5 minutes early thing though.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i agree with you on this (except during winter up there I'd rather drive and idle)... though a year ago I did live a 7 minute walk from work and drove there... BUT.. I just couldnt justify waking up 5 minutes earlier than I already have to, and being sweaty and smelly after just taking a shower. mostly is was the waking up 5 minutes early thing though.

I'm not narrow minded enough to say that a blanket approach works for everyone, but in areas like Chicago land, where there are trains, buses, cabs etc going everywhere, it's incredible how little they are utilized compared to...and I'll say it..other countries. American's Love THEIR automobiles..There is no denying that.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's more directed at all the lazy asses in my neighborhood who drive their kids 5 blocks to school every day, sit and idle waiting to drop them off and then do it all over again each afternoon. 180 school days a year..and no, they aren't on their way to work or anything...just drive back home.

Here we have hundreds of homes (new subdivisions) within a half mile of the brand new middle and elementary schools. But there are no sidewalks or safe crossings with police or crossing guards. The kids literally can't walk the two blocks to school. Yup - car after car sitting idling, twice a day ... It's sad.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I respectfully disagree..you look at long term inflation charts and gas is the only commodity, or basically product of any kind that is still under the average inflation increase. It SHOULD be $4.00 or 5.00 a gallon and maybe that would be in all of our best interests. Kind of painful, but sure would make people walk more, idle less, use public transportation more and stop bitching about the cost of what is still the best bargain around.

that sounds like a very liberal idea, but it wouldnt be in anyone's best interest right now. Nope, cant even think of one person who's best interest it would be in except the owners of oil companies. Maybe one day like 10 years from now when we have an alternative energy plan in place and understand more about options.

right now the only thing in our best interest is keeping/putting money in our own pockets (and not giving right back to Uncle Sam) and keeping our country safe.

You also must be excited for cap and trade, huh?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I respectfully disagree..you look at long term inflation charts and gas is the only commodity, or basically product of any kind that is still under the average inflation increase. It SHOULD be $4.00 or 5.00 a gallon and maybe that would be in all of our best interests. Kind of painful, but sure would make people walk more, idle less, use public transportation more and stop bitching about the cost of what is still the best bargain around.

all well and good where it's available.


also, we won't pump more of our own oil-setting up to pump our own is a huge expense, and the oil co's don't exactly see a reason to put out that kind of money when so many are pushing alternative fuels-they'd never recoup their investment.

as far as opec cutting their price-yeah, right. it's the one commodity in the middle east-without oil, they're nothing and they're broke.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I respectfully disagree..you look at long term inflation charts and gas is the only commodity, or basically product of any kind that is still under the average inflation increase. It SHOULD be $4.00 or 5.00 a gallon and maybe that would be in all of our best interests. Kind of painful, but sure would make people walk more, idle less, use public transportation more and stop bitching about the cost of what is still the best bargain around.

I respectfully agree. 1000% right on.