Cap and Trade vote on Friday

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Now how ironic and moronic is it that Al Gore brought this up a week ago?.....

Brought what (specifically) up? People that confuse global climate change with political agendas?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Brought what (specifically) up? People that confuse global climate change with political agendas?

that it was difficult to persuade the public that the threat from climate change was as urgent as the threat from Nazi Germany.

Nobel Prize worthy moronic

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

that it was difficult to persuade the public that the threat from climate change was as urgent as the threat from Nazi Germany.

Nobel Prize worthy moronic

i'm not sure i understand either.

it's difficult to convince people that changes occurring on decade or century long time scales are as large a threat as say... hyena's rushing you and crushing your skull.

if his point was that we aren't equipped to understand very long cycle threats, he was dead on. it's just not in the nature of a beast that lives 70 plus years to seriously worry about what happens slowly over the next several centuries.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i'm not sure i understand either.

it's difficult to convince people that changes occurring on decade or century long time scales are as large a threat as say... hyena's rushing you and crushing your skull.

if his point was that we aren't equipped to understand very long cycle threats, he was dead on. it's just not in the nature of a beast that lives 70 plus years to seriously worry about what happens slowly over the next several centuries.

Gore's point was the threat from climate change is a urgent as the threat from Nazi Germany....if he had meant hyena's I'm sure he would have said that. What he did say is Nazi Germany and IMO his comparison is like me saying rust on steel buildings is as urgent a problem as the World Trade Center coming down. But this administration and Dems have at least been consistent on downplaying previous crimes of genocide which, I can't figure out why?

[Cannon Shell]

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...009-07-11.html

[Danzig]

i read another interesting article today about cap and trade. about the amount of money it will cost families, jobs lost, and all to fix a climate change that may or may not even need fixing.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i read another interesting article today about cap and trade. about the amount of money it will cost families, jobs lost, and all to fix a climate change that may or may not even need fixing.

even if you concede the climate needs fixing this plan is doomed simply because China, India and I'm sure a host of other countries have stated they will not comply. Furthermore the Dems feel any new 'Green' tax placed on imports will possibly cause a trade war so their answer was to drop that from the bill. The much bigger problem directly concerning carbon emissions is that say a steel plant or refinery here will face new taxes while China & Co. keep trudging along. Sooner rather than later their (U.S. made) advantage will tilt the scales further making imports of say steel and gasoline cheaper and thus more desirable. The American plants close, jobs are lost, collected income and corporate tax goes down meanwhile production abroad increases to meet the need of new (U.S. made) business. Meanwhile China, whose plants are subject to far less regulation, produces the same steel previously produced here, with a far larger carbon output. I would argue environmentally, Cap and Trade would end up w/a net increase in greenhouse gases produced by man. We also get to further depend on foreign companies to refine the oil we already import and are reliant on.

Of course I may be in the minority for thinking Nazi Germany was a far MORE urgent problem than any threat from climate change but I don't have a Nobel Prize either.