Stauffer's call of the 6th tonight.

[my miss storm cat]

I'm surprised to see a couple here seem so horrified at the alleged rudeness in stonegossards post...

Where was he rude? He had a valid opinion, stated it, and backed it up.

He sure as hell doesn't need me to defend him but I will anyway cause he's right.

He's knowledgeable, articulate, he's got balls and has not been disrespectful in the least.

A couple of you are being drama queens and instead of being so mortally offended should go back and read the original post.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I'm surprised to see a couple here seem so horrified at the alleged rudeness in stonegossards post...

Where was he rude? He had a valid opinion, stated it, and backed it up.

He sure as hell doesn't need me to defend him but I will anyway cause he's right.

He's knowledgeable, articulate, he's got balls and has not been disrespectful in the least.

A couple of you are being drama queens and instead of being so mortally offended should go back and read the original post.

Maybe it was the 13 straight hours of responding to every single post in this thread with the same narcissistic dreck, stretching this mess out to 7 pages that grew wearisome... Dunno, just a guess

[blackthroatedwind]

Who exactly was knocking, or rooting against, Joel Rosario in this thread?

The answer, for those of you who are confused, which appears to be the majority, is NOBODY.

There's quite a double standard on this board.

[Indian Charlie]

I don't know who's a bigger tard here. Stone for being himself, or any of us for replying to him more than once.

[JerseyJ]

The whole premise of this thread was debating whether it's a conflict of interest that Vic Stauffer while being the track announcer at Hollywood Park also performs work as the jockey agent for one of the jocks that ride out of Hollywood Park. I am not going to argue whether it's wrong or right because everyone here has their own opinions on the issue, but I think judging by the definition of a conflict of interest, it's clear that possessing both jobs is a conflict of interest.

Conflict of Interest by definition: A conflict of interest occurs when an individual or organization (such as a policeman, lawyer, insurance adjuster, politician, engineer, executive, director of a corporation, medical research scientist, physician, writer, editor, or any other entrusted individual or organization) has an interest that might compromise their actions. The presence of a conflict of interest is independent from the execution of impropriety.

Quite clearly most here cannot read fine print, because in that statement it is clear that the issue at hand here is quite obvious. By acting as a jock's agent for Joel Rosario and the track announcer at the track he rides at, Vic has an interest(representing Rosario) that MIGHT compromise his actions as the track announcer. I am not going to get into the race call or anything else because that's been beaten like a dead horse, but to say that Vic holding both roles doesn't constitute a conflict of interest or at the very least a potential conflict of interest is horsesh!t. It's right there in the fine print and definition that holding both roles constitutes a conflict of interest. As I said, I am not going to get into whether he makes it one or not because it's not the issue at hand here. He does a great job at what he does, but yes, it certainly qualifies under definition to be a conflict of interest.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

The whole premise of this thread was debating whether it's a conflict of interest that Vic Stauffer while being the track announcer at Hollywood Park also performs work as the jockey agent for one of the jocks that ride out of Hollywood Park. I am not going to argue whether it's wrong or right because everyone here has their own opinions on the issue, but I think judging by the definition of a conflict of interest, it's clear that possessing both jobs is a conflict of interest.

The premise is fine. That's a legit concern. A lot of people (who don't like him doing both jobs ) accused him of doing something wrong in that 6th race. I think, if they'd of handicapped the race, they would see this horse had run the fastest. They could see the horse ran 2nd to a horse who is beating winners now. Horse has run 2nd or 3rd in the prior three races at the level. I think most callers would have their eye on that horse. I know I would have. It's a very poor piece of evidence to accuse someone with. Should just say they don't like the guy doing both jobs(instead of wildly fishing like this.)

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The premise is fine. That's a legit concern.

What exactly is the concern? Let's consider a number of possibilities, assuming, for sake of argument, that Vic 'favors' (whatever the **** that might mean) Rosario in his calls. And, the further assumption that EVERYONE is actually listening to the call of the race. (I wonder what this percentage is.)

1) Rosario's horse gets all the attention in the call and wins the race:

THOSE THAT BET THE HORSE WIN. THOSE THAT DIDN'T LOSE (assuming they bet a loser).

2) Rosario's horse gets all the attention in the call and doesn't win the race:

THOSE THAT BET THE HORSE LOSE. THOSE THAT DIDN'T DON'T LOSE (unless they bet another loser, which Vic's call wouldn't affect ).




Oh Yeah, I can definitely see where there's 'legit concern'.

Should we move on to those cases where Vic's call affects the outcome of the race? Didn't think so.

Of course, Rosario is presently leading jockey out there and I'm SURE that Vic's calls are the reason.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I don't know who's a bigger tard here. Stone for being himself, or any of us for replying to him more than once.

How are Doug's eyes today. We need an update. While your at it I think he stubbed his toe. Hurry up...start a useless thread about it.

You are a clown. Drugs must be doing charity work by befriending you.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Maybe it was the 13 straight hours of responding to every single post in this thread with the same narcissistic dreck, stretching this mess out to 7 pages that grew wearisome... Dunno, just a guess

I respond only to the people that post directly to me. Now if I didn't say a thing I would be considered chickens#it. If I do respond to those who say something to me then I am accused of carrying on. It's funny....people like yourself who don't agree say my replies are , as you put it, narcissistic dreck. Big words for a small minded person.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I'm surprised to see a couple here seem so horrified at the alleged rudeness in stonegossards post...

Where was he rude? He had a valid opinion, stated it, and backed it up.

He sure as hell doesn't need me to defend him but I will anyway cause he's right.

He's knowledgeable, articulate, he's got balls and has not been disrespectful in the least.

A couple of you are being drama queens and instead of being so mortally offended should go back and read the original post.

Thank you for the kind words. I think some of these people are just starstruck by VS and will defend him no matter what. Kind of like groupies I guess. Perhaps Drama Queen Groupies. Sounds about right.

[dagolfer33]

Most of the time, I could care less what the announcer is saying, because my computer is in my living room and my wife is watching a movie and she would throw my ass out if I had the sound turned up. With that being said......until Stauffer announces during a stretch call, "WATCH OUT JOEL, THE 6 IS COMING UP THE RAIL", I am going to have to say I would care less whether he sells concessions, serves food up in the boxes or however many jobs he wants to take on. He isnt driving a tractor between races, nor is he shooting buckshot at the other horses when they are running against Rosario, he is trying to relay (especially to people who are at the track who mostly have their views obscured while the race is being run) what he interprets is going on during a race.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

Most of the time, I could care less what the announcer is saying, because my computer is in my living room and my wife is watching a movie and she would throw my ass out if I had the sound turned up. With that being said......until Stauffer announces during a stretch call, "WATCH OUT JOEL, THE 6 IS COMING UP THE RAIL", I am going to have to say I would care less whether he sells concessions, serves food up in the boxes or however many jobs he wants to take on. He isnt driving a tractor between races, nor is he shooting buckshot at the other horses when they are running against Rosario, he is trying to relay (especially to people who are at the track who mostly have their views obscured while the race is being run) what he interprets is going on during a race.

I actually agree with this and see it as no worse than Churchill having Mark Johnson as their on-air handicapper and announcer.