Stauffer's call of the 6th tonight.

[Indian Charlie]

Some points.

1. Dumbest thread ever that's gone more than three pages.
2. Do people really care what the track announcer says, so long as they are accurate?

3. My main point here, I like that Vic said bite me. It shows he's not a stuffed shirt who's full of himself and more importantly, it shows he places himself on our level (the average fan here). I've seen too many racing personalities who consider themselves better than the rest of us and would simply dismiss someone as being beneath them (in knowledge, experience, etc.).

To me, race announcers are faceless people that I barely notice in the background.

I now have an appreciation for him that I otherwise wouldn't have.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Some points.

1. Dumbest thread ever that's gone more than three pages.
2. Do people really care what the track announcer says, so long as they are accurate?

3. My main point here, I like that Vic said bite me. It shows he's not a stuffed shirt who's full of himself and more importantly, it shows he places himself on our level (the average fan here). I've seen too many racing personalities who consider themselves better than the rest of us and would simply dismiss someone as being beneath them (in knowledge, experience, etc.).

To me, race announcers are faceless people that I barely notice in the background.

I now have an appreciation for him that I otherwise wouldn't have.

On our level? I didn't know so many of us shat where we eat.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Some points.

1. Dumbest thread ever that's gone more than three pages.
2. Do people really care what the track announcer says, so long as they are accurate?

3. My main point here, I like that Vic said bite me. It shows he's not a stuffed shirt who's full of himself and more importantly, it shows he places himself on our level (the average fan here). I've seen too many racing personalities who consider themselves better than the rest of us and would simply dismiss someone as being beneath them (in knowledge, experience, etc.).

To me, race announcers are faceless people that I barely notice in the background.

I now have an appreciation for him that I otherwise wouldn't have.

Good points. We need more threads about Salvatore wearing one contact lense. Brilliant stuff you wrote about. Keep up the good work.

[jballscalls]

This has been a very interesting thread. I side with Vic for numerous reasons, mainly i don't think he did anything wrong in the call, he reported what happened. second of all, if some anonymous guy on an internet board who you don't know criticises your work, it's tough to take them serious, because you don't know them, their background, or anything about them.

Also, i've never heard Vic once say Joel's name in a racecall or give him props in the call, whereas countless times i've heard him say "a brilliant ride by David Flores, or smokin Joe, or anyone else"

I guess I just don't understand anyone calling for someone's job and how they make a living on an internet fan forum. I can't see how that is anyone's business. You can disagree with what he did, thats fine, but as a previous poster illuminated, the original post was not exactly asking for a dignified response. That poster called for Vics job or jobs, talked about how he was going to lose his job cause HP is possibly closing, then said how they shouldn't hire him if someone else get's the dates and he's still an agent.

Vic's forgotten more about announcing than I know thats for sure, but his calls have remained totally professional, informative, and entertaining in my opinion.

I"m very thankful that i announce at a track "where nobody is listening" as you said, so i don't have to worry about people calling my job into question if i do something they don't deem appropriate.

[10 pnt move up]

1. Its definitely a conflict of interest. I remember reading when Vic took over the kids book I thought "wonder who is going to call the races".

Imagine this scenario, there is some minor brushing in a stake race, say its for 500k, and Rosario is the one getting brushed. I can imagine the hyperbole that could come into play on the call, which I hate when announcers do that (Durkin is the absolute worst), I have no idea if it influences the stewards but it always seemed to me like it might.

I remember one time TVG had VS on the line right before the race and he said he did bet someone (the comment was "well lets see if you can tell from the call who I bet on"), which took me as a surprise because I think there is a definite conflict of betting on a race you are calling for the track.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

1. Its definitely a conflict of interest. I remember reading when Vic took over the kids book I thought "wonder who is going to call the races".

Imagine this scenario, there is some minor brushing in a stake race, say its for 500k, and Rosario is the one getting brushed. I can imagine the hyperbole that could come into play on the call, which I hate when announcers do that (Durkin is the absolute worst), I have no idea if it influences the stewards but it always seemed to me like it might.

I remember one time TVG had VS on the line right before the race and he said he did bet someone (the comment was "well lets see if you can tell from the call who I bet on"), which took me as a surprise because I think there is a definite conflict of betting on a race you are calling for the track.

It's a good thing that Stauffer doesn't do what Durkin does when horses get cut off/brush. He really goes overboard at times. If Stauffer did, he wouldn't be announcing at HP....that or he woudn't be a jocks agent also.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

This has been a very interesting thread. I side with Vic for numerous reasons, mainly i don't think he did anything wrong in the call, he reported what happened. second of all, if some anonymous guy on an internet board who you don't know criticises your work, it's tough to take them serious, because you don't know them, their background, or anything about them.

Also, i've never heard Vic once say Joel's name in a racecall or give him props in the call, whereas countless times i've heard him say "a brilliant ride by David Flores, or smokin Joe, or anyone else"

I guess I just don't understand anyone calling for someone's job and how they make a living on an internet fan forum. I can't see how that is anyone's business. You can disagree with what he did, thats fine, but as a previous poster illuminated, the original post was not exactly asking for a dignified response. That poster called for Vics job or jobs, talked about how he was going to lose his job cause HP is possibly closing, then said how they shouldn't hire him if someone else get's the dates and he's still an agent.

Vic's forgotten more about announcing than I know thats for sure, but his calls have remained totally professional, informative, and entertaining in my opinion.

I"m very thankful that i announce at a track "where nobody is listening" as you said, so i don't have to worry about people calling my job into question if i do something they don't deem appropriate.

Call me crazy, but if there is a huge conflict of interest when someone has two jobs, don't you think it should be addressed, and if not fixed be dealt with ? I guess it would be ok if ESPN hired Mark Cuban to call NBA games. Could you imagine him calling Mavs games? The network wouldn't put up with it.

You guys make it seem like I am calling for his head. I am not doin that. I am saying IF he can't call an unbiased race then he shouldn't be calling races where Rosario rides. If he can then fine..keep calling. He apparently has been questioned before so I am not some lunatic making insane claims.

As far as him not listening to my criticism because he doesnt know me? Thats is ridiculous. According to your logic people should only take criticism from people they are friends with or know personally? That's a bit much.

Originally Posted by stonegossard

1. Call me crazy, but if there is a huge conflict of interest when someone has two jobs, don't you think it should be addressed, and if not fixed be dealt with ? I guess it would be ok if ESPN hired Mark Cuban to call NBA games. Could you imagine him calling Mavs games? The network wouldn't put up with it.

You guys make it seem like I am calling for his head. I am not doin that. I am saying

2. IF he can't call an unbiased race then he shouldn't be calling races where Rosario rides. If he can then fine..keep calling. He apparently has been questioned before so I am not some lunatic making insane claims.

1. There are many announcers on National Television that have conflicts of interest. Phil Simms, Troy Aikman (as already mentioned)... the list is quite long.

2. It was not biased any more or less than any other race I saw that night.
I really dont see/hear this at all.

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Call me crazy, but if there is a huge conflict of interest when someone has two jobs, don't you think it should be addressed, and if not fixed be dealt with ? I guess it would be ok if ESPN hired Mark Cuban to call NBA games. Could you imagine him calling Mavs games? The network wouldn't put up with it.

.

there are "conflicts of interest" in announcing all the times in many sports. Bob Griese calling his son in the rose bowl, former players announcing for their old teams, Ron Ellis announcing on TVG and countless others. , many announcers have owned horses they've called, i think Tony Calo owned 62 lincoln in the bay area and called him, you think he wasn't rooting for him? Darren Tyquin (RIP) owned part of a horse that won its debut in a race he called, and he acknowledged it in the call. obviously an owner has a much bigger financial investment for a win than an agent.

most announcers have rooting interests in almost every race. many tracks ask us to do the picks in the programs, you think we don't root for our picks? most of us are good friends with many of the jockeys and trainers, you think we don't root for our buddies??

It's human nature to have rooting interests in events, and I feel Vic has been very professional in how he's performed while being Joel's agent.

And to the earlier poster, i've never met a steward that cared what an announcer says. most of them are in enclosed rooms and can't hear us anyways.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

there are "conflicts of interest" in announcing all the times in many sports. Bob Griese calling his son in the rose bowl, former players announcing for their old teams, Ron Ellis announcing on TVG and countless others. , many announcers have owned horses they've called, i think Tony Calo owned 62 lincoln in the bay area and called him, you think he wasn't rooting for him? Darren Tyquin (RIP) owned part of a horse that won its debut in a race he called, and he acknowledged it in the call. obviously an owner has a much bigger financial investment for a win than an agent.

most announcers have rooting interests in almost every race. many tracks ask us to do the picks in the programs, you think we don't root for our picks? most of us are good friends with many of the jockeys and trainers, you think we don't root for our buddies??

It's human nature to have rooting interests in events, and I feel Vic has been very professional in how he's performed while being Joel's agent.

And to the earlier poster, i've never met a steward that cared what an announcer says. most of them are in enclosed rooms and can't hear us anyways.

It's not about influencing a race. I never said he did. I am sure you guys bet races and inside root for certain horses. That's fine. But there is no need for this to come out when calling a race. Vic does it from time to time...and last night was ridiculous.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

It's not about influencing a race. I never said he did. I am sure you guys bet races and inside root for certain horses. That's fine. But there is no need for this to come out when calling a race. Vic does it from time to time...and last night was ridiculous.

Bro we get it. Give it a f***ing break already.

Originally Posted by stonegossard

It's not about influencing a race. I never said he did. I am sure you guys bet races and inside root for certain horses. That's fine. But there is no need for this to come out when calling a race. Vic does it from time to time...and last night was ridiculous.

I would have made the exact same call had Rosario not been on that horse.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Good points. We need more threads about Salvatore wearing one contact lense. Brilliant stuff you wrote about. Keep up the good work.

Yeah, I'm glad your priorities are straight. A race caller getting excited about a jockey he represents is of much bigger concern than a friend doing something stupid to himself that might cause damage to his vision.

You are now the official paragon of virtue for DT!

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, I'm glad your priorities are straight. A race caller getting excited about a jockey he represents is of much bigger concern than a friend doing something stupid to himself that might cause damage to his vision.

You are now the official paragon of virtue for DT!

If you think that Is DrugS main problem then either you aren't a true friend or don't pay enough attention to him. My man Douglas has worse issues.

Last time I checked this was a horse racing board. Post your concerns about Doug's issues on contactlense.com.

[philcski]

I can't believe you guys are going on for this long about some crappy maiden claimer. I thought the call was good, who cares who was riding the horse that made the big move.

Enough of this childish bullsh1t.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by philcski

I can't believe you guys are going on for this long about some crappy maiden claimer. I thought the call was good, who cares who was riding the horse that made the big move.

Enough of this childish bullsh1t.

Phil nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to read it man.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Phil nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to read it man.

Nobody is putting a gun to your head to listen to the calls or make unnecessary accusations, either.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by philcski

I can't believe you guys are going on for this long about some crappy maiden claimer. I thought the call was good, who cares who was riding the horse that made the big move.

Enough of this childish bullsh1t.

amen

and how 'bout Pacheco today ?

[philcski]

OMGOMGOMG RACE 4!!! there was such a biased call for Rosario on the 7, he said that one 4 times and the other 4 times OMGZZZZ!

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

If you think that Is DrugS main problem then either you aren't a true friend or don't pay enough attention to him. My man Douglas has worse issues.

Last time I checked this was a horse racing board. Post your concerns about Doug's issues on contactlense.com.

This what I'm talking about,

























pure entertainment.

Now if Vic changes his calls for you will you be charging him for your" Bite Me " or will that be on the house?????????