Keeneland September Sale

Damned Arabs got my Storm Cat...I've been shut out again!

[sumitas]

When rich people cry poverty you know they are making money. $300k for any horse, even Smarty's sister, ain't chop liver.

[Danzig]

coolmore got a danzig as well:


Coolmore gets its Danzig


A few hours after being outbid for the sale-topping colt by Danzig, John Magnier got the other top colt from the last crop of that great sire and sire of sires, going to $5.2-million for a colt out of the Roberto mare Al Theraab. Consigned by Dave Parrish's Indian Creek as agent, the bay is half brother to two stakes winners by Danzig's best sire son Danehill.

"He's a nice Danzig, isn't he?" said Demi O'Byrne, who signed the ticket for the partnership that includes Magnier and Michael Tabor. "He's from the last crop of a great sire of sires and he's really a great deal like him."

[Sightseek]

Photo of Kingmambo colt:

http://pictopia.com/perl/gal?gallery...encenum=&page=

Boy is he proud of himself!

Originally Posted by Danzig188

coolmore got a danzig as well:


Coolmore gets its Danzig


A few hours after being outbid for the sale-topping colt by Danzig, John Magnier got the other top colt from the last crop of that great sire and sire of sires, going to $5.2-million for a colt out of the Roberto mare Al Theraab. Consigned by Dave Parrish's Indian Creek as agent, the bay is half brother to two stakes winners by Danzig's best sire son Danehill.

"He's a nice Danzig, isn't he?" said Demi O'Byrne, who signed the ticket for the partnership that includes Magnier and Michael Tabor. "He's from the last crop of a great sire of sires and he's really a great deal like him."

Of course he's going to spin it that way....Danehill is Danzig's only real success at stud...period....even Rock of Gibraltar's first crop is VERY average considering the book of mares he got over there across the pond....very average.....

I respect that you like him and thats fine, as he was a great RACEHORSE stallion and is very good on the broodmare side...his shortcomings have come as a sire of sires though.....Demi is just upset that he hasn't been able to match strides with the Shieks so far at this sale and this colt is the only "big" horse that he has gotten to this point, so what do you think hes going to say to make his purchase look ingenious?

I think its becoming obvious that the only way to now attempt to become successful in this game is to start your own breeding operation.
Very few in the game have the resources to bid as much as the Sheikh or Coolmore do on the exceptional looking/bred yearlings at sales such as this.
Instead of spending 11 million on a Kingmambo, you can buy nice mares and breed to them.
I think that the bloodstock game is shifting, and that mares are going to become more coveted than stallions, if they aren't already.
I also find it hysterical that a pinhooker spends one million on a horse with the intent to flip it at a 2Yo in training sale. Who would ever have imagined that? That a pure pinhooker would spend a million on a horse?
The only way that anyone is going to have the slightest chance to succeed against the excessive spending by the two largest players is going to be to breed their own.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think its becoming obvious that the only way to now attempt to become successful in this game is to start your own breeding operation.
Very few in the game have the resources to bid as much as the Sheikh or Coolmore do on the exceptional looking/bred yearlings at sales such as this.
Instead of spending 11 million on a Kingmambo, you can buy nice mares and breed to them.
I think that the bloodstock game is shifting, and that mares are going to become more coveted than stallions, if they aren't already.
I also find it hysterical that a pinhooker spends one million on a horse with the intent to flip it at a 2Yo in training sale. Who would ever have imagined that? That a pure pinhooker would spend a million on a horse?
The only way that anyone is going to have the slightest chance to succeed against the excessive spending by the two largest players is going to be to breed their own.

Correct, homebreds really are the way to go with the occasional buy at auction or a horse who is currently racing at the track and will be a good introduction of new lines to your current program. If you noticed Shadwell bought LOTS of fillies, I have a feeling that not only are they going to step up their game in America, but they are going to breed them themselves. (Jazil will be your leading sire in no time! ) It will be interesting to see if 5 o 6 years from now if the sheiks stop buying so much at auction because of this.

There is possible talk that Hoby may be keeping that horse even though he said it was a pinhook. I don't know, but I agree a million purchase to pinhook is crazy, The Green Monkey only happened once...

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think its becoming obvious that the only way to now attempt to become successful in this game is to start your own breeding operation.
Very few in the game have the resources to bid as much as the Sheikh or Coolmore do on the exceptional looking/bred yearlings at sales such as this.
Instead of spending 11 million on a Kingmambo, you can buy nice mares and breed to them.
I think that the bloodstock game is shifting, and that mares are going to become more coveted than stallions, if they aren't already.
I also find it hysterical that a pinhooker spends one million on a horse with the intent to flip it at a 2Yo in training sale. Who would ever have imagined that? That a pure pinhooker would spend a million on a horse?
The only way that anyone is going to have the slightest chance to succeed against the excessive spending by the two largest players is going to be to breed their own.

The really scary thing is that they own many of the blueblood mares too from buying the best at the KEE November sale the last 15 years.....they themselves are breeding there own nicehomebreds like Balletto and Bernardini, etc....scary to think they only paid stud fee ($300,000) for Bernardini

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think its becoming obvious that the only way to now attempt to become successful in this game is to start your own breeding operation.
Very few in the game have the resources to bid as much as the Sheikh or Coolmore do on the exceptional looking/bred yearlings at sales such as this.
Instead of spending 11 million on a Kingmambo, you can buy nice mares and breed to them.
I think that the bloodstock game is shifting, and that mares are going to become more coveted than stallions, if they aren't already.
I also find it hysterical that a pinhooker spends one million on a horse with the intent to flip it at a 2Yo in training sale. Who would ever have imagined that? That a pure pinhooker would spend a million on a horse?
The only way that anyone is going to have the slightest chance to succeed against the excessive spending by the two largest players is going to be to breed their own.

It may happen. And the occasional purchase at an auction of a reasonably priced horse. Some mares should not be bred due to lack of overall pedigree, but some mares have every right to be bred.

mares already are more coveted, it explains how wild fit (for example) can go for what she went for last winter without much pedigree.
also explains why some are claiming mares with poor race records, but black type in their pedigree, cleaning them up and re-selling as broodmare prospects--the new pinhookers.

[sumitas]

you are right Danny, pedigrees have never been more important for finding real solid value. the entire pedigree, not just the first couple of gens which are the big sellers at the auctions. and you're right, the racing mares need prolly 6 months of detoxification from the track before they should be mated.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by Danzig2

mares already are more coveted, it explains how wild fit (for example) can go for what she went for last winter without much pedigree.
also explains why some are claiming mares with poor race records, but black type in their pedigree, cleaning them up and re-selling as broodmare prospects--the new pinhookers.

Grannies Feather (unraced), the dam of Wild Fit, was bought for $500 at a sheriff's auction in Tsx. She has produced Wild Fit and Fusaichi Rock Star. She does have 4 reines de course pre 1941 so her family has some foundation.

[Pedigree Ann]

Racing Post headline over a photo of Dettori being led out, with a grim look on his face-

Cheer up Frankie - the boss has spent $11.7m on a new recruit!