Keeneland September Sale

[Danzig]

i can't believe how low the full sis to smarty went for...she must be crooked or something.

[Danzig]

lol oops, oracle already mentione crooked and smartys sister.

but after seeing horses like wild fit go for what they went for(she of course was purchased after the bcjf for her future worth as a broodmare), i just can't get over it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i can't believe how low the full sis to smarty went for...she must be crooked or something.

She may not have scoped well. They scope these yearlings the same way they scope the 2 year olds at the 2 year old sales. If a horse has a really bad throat, that will knock their price way down.

Another thing that can hurt the sales prices are chips. A lot of these horses have chips. Just from running around out in the pasture as yearlings, they get chips. Depending on how bad the chip is, it can have a big impact on the sales price. You would be shocked at how amny of these yearlings have chips. I don't know the exact number but it's probably somewhere around 10-20%.

[Danzig]

you would just think tho that she would have more value than that as a broodmare....i'm surprised, but probably not as surprised as her seller!

who knows, hell they can't all go for 8-10 mill...

Damned Arabs got my Storm Cat...I've been shut out again!

[sumitas]

When rich people cry poverty you know they are making money. $300k for any horse, even Smarty's sister, ain't chop liver.

[Danzig]

coolmore got a danzig as well:


Coolmore gets its Danzig


A few hours after being outbid for the sale-topping colt by Danzig, John Magnier got the other top colt from the last crop of that great sire and sire of sires, going to $5.2-million for a colt out of the Roberto mare Al Theraab. Consigned by Dave Parrish's Indian Creek as agent, the bay is half brother to two stakes winners by Danzig's best sire son Danehill.

"He's a nice Danzig, isn't he?" said Demi O'Byrne, who signed the ticket for the partnership that includes Magnier and Michael Tabor. "He's from the last crop of a great sire of sires and he's really a great deal like him."

[Sightseek]

Photo of Kingmambo colt:

http://pictopia.com/perl/gal?gallery...encenum=&page=

Boy is he proud of himself!

Originally Posted by Danzig188

coolmore got a danzig as well:


Coolmore gets its Danzig


A few hours after being outbid for the sale-topping colt by Danzig, John Magnier got the other top colt from the last crop of that great sire and sire of sires, going to $5.2-million for a colt out of the Roberto mare Al Theraab. Consigned by Dave Parrish's Indian Creek as agent, the bay is half brother to two stakes winners by Danzig's best sire son Danehill.

"He's a nice Danzig, isn't he?" said Demi O'Byrne, who signed the ticket for the partnership that includes Magnier and Michael Tabor. "He's from the last crop of a great sire of sires and he's really a great deal like him."

Of course he's going to spin it that way....Danehill is Danzig's only real success at stud...period....even Rock of Gibraltar's first crop is VERY average considering the book of mares he got over there across the pond....very average.....

I respect that you like him and thats fine, as he was a great RACEHORSE stallion and is very good on the broodmare side...his shortcomings have come as a sire of sires though.....Demi is just upset that he hasn't been able to match strides with the Shieks so far at this sale and this colt is the only "big" horse that he has gotten to this point, so what do you think hes going to say to make his purchase look ingenious?

I think its becoming obvious that the only way to now attempt to become successful in this game is to start your own breeding operation.
Very few in the game have the resources to bid as much as the Sheikh or Coolmore do on the exceptional looking/bred yearlings at sales such as this.
Instead of spending 11 million on a Kingmambo, you can buy nice mares and breed to them.
I think that the bloodstock game is shifting, and that mares are going to become more coveted than stallions, if they aren't already.
I also find it hysterical that a pinhooker spends one million on a horse with the intent to flip it at a 2Yo in training sale. Who would ever have imagined that? That a pure pinhooker would spend a million on a horse?
The only way that anyone is going to have the slightest chance to succeed against the excessive spending by the two largest players is going to be to breed their own.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think its becoming obvious that the only way to now attempt to become successful in this game is to start your own breeding operation.
Very few in the game have the resources to bid as much as the Sheikh or Coolmore do on the exceptional looking/bred yearlings at sales such as this.
Instead of spending 11 million on a Kingmambo, you can buy nice mares and breed to them.
I think that the bloodstock game is shifting, and that mares are going to become more coveted than stallions, if they aren't already.
I also find it hysterical that a pinhooker spends one million on a horse with the intent to flip it at a 2Yo in training sale. Who would ever have imagined that? That a pure pinhooker would spend a million on a horse?
The only way that anyone is going to have the slightest chance to succeed against the excessive spending by the two largest players is going to be to breed their own.

Correct, homebreds really are the way to go with the occasional buy at auction or a horse who is currently racing at the track and will be a good introduction of new lines to your current program. If you noticed Shadwell bought LOTS of fillies, I have a feeling that not only are they going to step up their game in America, but they are going to breed them themselves. (Jazil will be your leading sire in no time! ) It will be interesting to see if 5 o 6 years from now if the sheiks stop buying so much at auction because of this.

There is possible talk that Hoby may be keeping that horse even though he said it was a pinhook. I don't know, but I agree a million purchase to pinhook is crazy, The Green Monkey only happened once...

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think its becoming obvious that the only way to now attempt to become successful in this game is to start your own breeding operation.
Very few in the game have the resources to bid as much as the Sheikh or Coolmore do on the exceptional looking/bred yearlings at sales such as this.
Instead of spending 11 million on a Kingmambo, you can buy nice mares and breed to them.
I think that the bloodstock game is shifting, and that mares are going to become more coveted than stallions, if they aren't already.
I also find it hysterical that a pinhooker spends one million on a horse with the intent to flip it at a 2Yo in training sale. Who would ever have imagined that? That a pure pinhooker would spend a million on a horse?
The only way that anyone is going to have the slightest chance to succeed against the excessive spending by the two largest players is going to be to breed their own.

The really scary thing is that they own many of the blueblood mares too from buying the best at the KEE November sale the last 15 years.....they themselves are breeding there own nicehomebreds like Balletto and Bernardini, etc....scary to think they only paid stud fee ($300,000) for Bernardini

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think its becoming obvious that the only way to now attempt to become successful in this game is to start your own breeding operation.
Very few in the game have the resources to bid as much as the Sheikh or Coolmore do on the exceptional looking/bred yearlings at sales such as this.
Instead of spending 11 million on a Kingmambo, you can buy nice mares and breed to them.
I think that the bloodstock game is shifting, and that mares are going to become more coveted than stallions, if they aren't already.
I also find it hysterical that a pinhooker spends one million on a horse with the intent to flip it at a 2Yo in training sale. Who would ever have imagined that? That a pure pinhooker would spend a million on a horse?
The only way that anyone is going to have the slightest chance to succeed against the excessive spending by the two largest players is going to be to breed their own.

It may happen. And the occasional purchase at an auction of a reasonably priced horse. Some mares should not be bred due to lack of overall pedigree, but some mares have every right to be bred.

[Pedigree Ann]

Racing Post headline over a photo of Dettori being led out, with a grim look on his face-

Cheer up Frankie - the boss has spent $11.7m on a new recruit!

Originally Posted by Danzig188

you would just think tho that she would have more value than that as a broodmare....i'm surprised, but probably not as surprised as her seller!

who knows, hell they can't all go for 8-10 mill...

Guys, guys, guys!!!...I'll Get Along sold a couple of years ago for many millions of dollars to the group that just sold this full to Smarty Jones....I GUARANTEE you that they knew what they were selling and had a reserve on her that was relavent to her value....that, I can assure you of.....these guys aren't stupid and they just didn't get rid of her because they needed the money....she had to have been well sold for that prce or they would not have done that, especially considering the millions they spent on I'll Get Along after Smarty's fame....

I guarantee you that she has some serious issues with her somewhere that provided for a lot of risk with her.....

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Guys, guys, guys!!!...I'll Get Along sold a couple of years ago for many millions of dollars to the group that just sold this full to Smarty Jones....I GUARANTEE you that they knew what they were selling and had a reserve on her that was relavent to her value....that, I can assure you of.....these guys aren't stupid and they just didn't get rid of her because they needed the money....she had to have been well sold for that prce or they would not have done that, especially considering the millions they spent on I'll Get Along after Smarty's fame....

I guarantee you that she has some serious issues with her somewhere that provided for a lot of risk with her.....

i figured as much. i knew that the dam was snapped up when smarty hit the trail...no way this was in their plan, but it certainly happens to all those involved in this sport at some point.

[Sightseek]

I loved Smarty Jones, but he wasn't the most impressive looking horse to grace the cover of Blood-Horse. Someone said they would have picked his sister up at least for a broodmare prospect, but her progeny may or may not be all that 'commercial' in appearance. That said, if I was playing with the sort of money that most of these folks have, I'd probably bid in the hopes that lightning struck twice on the track. It's all a game of chance and luck.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I loved Smarty Jones, but he wasn't the most impressive looking horse to grace the cover of Blood-Horse. Someone said they would have picked his sister up at least for a broodmare prospect, but her progeny may or may not be all that 'commercial' in appearance. That said, if I was playing with the sort of money that most of these folks have, I'd probably bid in the hopes that lightning struck twice on the track. It's all a game of chance and luck.

Smary Jones is as crooked as they come. It's no surprise to me that his full sister would probably be the same way. Lightning could strike twice though and if they could keep her sound, who knows?

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Someone said they would have picked his sister up at least for a broodmare prospect, but her progeny may or may not be all that 'commercial' in appearance. .

Gonna have a darn nice catalogue page, though. Black-type every generation and solid winners aside from the stakes horses.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

She may not have scoped well. They scope these yearlings the same way they scope the 2 year olds at the 2 year old sales. If a horse has a really bad throat, that will knock their price way down.

Another thing that can hurt the sales prices are chips. A lot of these horses have chips. Just from running around out in the pasture as yearlings, they get chips. Depending on how bad the chip is, it can have a big impact on the sales price. You would be shocked at how amny of these yearlings have chips. I don't know the exact number but it's probably somewhere around 10-20%.

It shouldn't hurt their prices too much because if a horse has a chip and you buy it then X-ray afterward and find a chip, you can turn it back and not pay for the horse....

I never X-ray horses anymore UNTIL I buy them because it cost too much money X-raying every damn horse you may be interested in....you wait and buy them and THEN you x-ray them after they get out of the ring and if they don't vet out you turn them back to the seller and don't pay....

Throats are a little different...if there is some sort of disfunction or paralysis than you can turn back a horse after you buy it and discover it has a bad throat.....yet, if you are a pinhooker and a horse has a functional throat but it may rate out as a "B" throat and not an "A" throat (the best and onlt thraots that pinhookers will buy to be able to resell the prospect down the road) then you are stuck with the horse.....

Why waste vet charges evaluating 25 horses before a sale if you are only planning on buying 3 or 4 of them that wind up fitting in your price range?...It is wasted cost and the very reason there is a turn-back policy at the sales - to protect the purchaser's risk and cost output....