Rachel vs. Zenyatta: Which run the better race?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

RA was compromised by trip and fractions in the Preakness ... of course Zenyatta probably gets to her and goes by her late that day.

Still, we are taking about a 3yo filly in middle may vs. a 5yo that is easily the best older horse in the land on synthetic ... and easily the best older mare in the land on dirt too .. though more because the others kind of suck than anything else.

Thanks for pointing that out. I was waiting for the latest PACE FIGURES to come out so I could get my final opinion of the Preakness squared off. But thanks for pointing out the obvious -- your specialty.

As for the rest of it, you can make that case for just about any prolific winner: he/she beat a lot of nothings.

Tell you this much, BEYER BOY, there isn't a horse in history that has won ALL of its starts running the same way, like Z has. Sooner or later the SETUP or a BIAS gets all of them. That it hasn't to this point in her case, once again, indicates how special she really is.

P.S. were you consulted when Beyer decided to AD HOC change those POLY figs?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Thanks for pointing that out. I was waiting for the latest PACE FIGURES to come out so I could get my final opinion of the Preakness squared off. But thanks for pointing out the obvious -- your specialty.
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I laughed, usually his obviousness comes after the fact as well.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I laughed, usually his obviousness comes after the fact as well.

Yeah, usually, like...never.

Mikey Smith. Yay!!!!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

But thanks for pointing out the obvious -- your specialty.

What I point out only seems like the obvious because of how damn convincing and brilliant and correct I am.

If I somehow found out something that no one knows .. and I told every one .. you'd all be like "well duh! - no sh!t, does he think I'm stupid?"

Chalk it up to the greatness of DrugS - it's how I roll and stuff.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What I point out only seems like the obvious because of how damn convincing and brilliant and correct I am.

If I somehow found out something that no one knows .. and I told every one .. you'd all be like "well duh! - no sh!t, does he think I'm stupid?"

Chalk it up to the greatness of DrugS - it's how I roll and stuff.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Chalk it up to the greatness of DrugS - it's how I roll and stuff.

You should really look into buying Jelly ROLL. I'm sure Wolfson would convince the connections to sell her to you.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You should really look into buying Jelly ROLL. I'm sure Wolfson would convince the connections to sell her to you.

When have I ever once brought up Jelly Roll? ... and why in God's name would anyone want to touch a horse who's been dismal throughout his life while having only two God like trainers ... they being lifetime profitable ROI Jimmy Jerkens and Magical Marty Wolfson. Two friggin wizzards.

But hey, Tagg's got Frolic's Dream turning the corner!! She ran a vastly improved 5th in a 60K stake at Monmouth Park yesterday!

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

But hey, Tagg's got Frolic's Dream turning the corner!! She ran a vastly improved 5th in a 60K stake at Monmouth Park yesterday!

She did?

That's great! Maybe he got some shoe advice.

By the way sal, check your PM. You'll love the latest news.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

When have I ever once brought up Jelly Roll? ... and why in God's name would anyone want to touch a horse who's been dismal throughout his life while having only two God like trainers ... they being lifetime profitable ROI Jimmy Jerkens and Magical Marty Wolfson. Two friggin wizzards.

But hey, Tagg's got Frolic's Dream turning the corner!! She ran a vastly improved 5th in a 60K stake at Monmouth Park yesterday!

Jelly Roll Rumble, then?

If not, how do you roll?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

you kept bringing up Jelly Roll Rumble as some kind of proof that his only two career trainers don't have a big edge because JRR is a bum.

Hey, maybe if Gary Sciaaca gets a hold of him he will turn it around.

That horse just stinks. Like Cannon says .. he's Ozzie Canseco or something.

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Shirreffs said a race against Rachel Alexandra is a real possibility.

"Obviously that's an option, and it's something that Mr. Moss and I will discuss later on," he said. "Rachel is in her 3-year-old campaign, so she's running in 3-year-old races. There's no discussion until she doesn't run in 3-year-old races."


I hope people realize this, in theory RA could run in restricted races (through the Gazelle I believe) thus acing Zenyatta out of any chance at HOY.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Chalk it up to the greatness of DrugS - it's how I roll and stuff.

you do make me laugh, I mean that sincerely.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Tell you this much, BEYER BOY, there isn't a horse in history that has won ALL of its starts running the same way, like Z has. Sooner or later the SETUP or a BIAS gets all of them. That it hasn't to this point in her case, once again, indicates how special she really is.

P.S. were you consulted when Beyer decided to AD HOC change those POLY figs?

Never knew you were that funny...

I would have been more impressed by Rachel Alexandra had she been up on the pace, doing the dirty work rather than watching the 2 pace setters slug it out and then pouncing, it was a good effort nevertheless, however if I was to be picky about it the race really fell into her lap, she had the trip of trips. No adversity whatsoever.

[King Glorious]

I get the feeling that the only chance this has of happening is if Monmouth or Delaware creates a race. Shirreffs doesn't want to run out of the detention barn so that would make NY unlikely. Jackson doesn't want to run on junk so that rules out a few other places. Monmouth made a race for Big Brown last year. Maybe they'll do one for this race this year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I get the feeling that the only chance this has of happening is if Monmouth or Delaware creates a race. Shirreffs doesn't want to run out of the detention barn so that would make NY unlikely. Jackson doesn't want to run on junk so that rules out a few other places. Monmouth made a race for Big Brown last year. Maybe they'll do one for this race this year.

If NYRA doesn't get it done its a travesty

[The Indomitable DrugS]

If they could deliver Serling for the people ... a Rachel Alexandra VS Zenyatta match-up will be a piece of cake.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If NYRA doesn't get it done its a travesty

It isn't that they don't want to but they have that detention barn and Shirrefs doesn't like it. What can NYRA do about that?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

It isn't that they don't want to but they have that detention barn and Shirrefs doesn't like it. What can NYRA do about that?

Easy answer just put Scott Lake in charge of security for the night.. BTW GMBOBS next horse will be "Schultz"

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

It isn't that they don't want to but they have that detention barn and Shirrefs doesn't like it. What can NYRA do about that?

he says he has a problem with the detention barn? Is he still bitter about After Market losing to Trippi's Storm or something?

Shirreffs has a flat bet profit with all of his starters to race since 1995 - a total of over 1,650 starters.

People think of Pletcher as some great trainer ... he's never even once flirted with showing a flat bet profit for a single year in any one of the last 12 years. There are guys out there with big names .. though not quite as big as Pletcher's .. who are near locks to flirt with them every year, and sometimes string together 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 profitable years in a row.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

People think of Pletcher as some great trainer ...

Those not out to expose Wolfson (or Dutrow) every chance they get are in the minority in not considering Pletcher a great trainer. Great cheat, yes; great trainer, now. I mean, his stuff was so strong that his horses not only survived those Johnny V WIDE trip specials but thrived under them. Now, that's potent ****.