shaq to the Cavs

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are making the assumption that guys playing without a star are taking contested three pointers. Why? Do only the teammates of superstars get open looks? That is really ridiculous. The whole premise that you guys are using is that a team with a great player will get guys easier shots. However since the three point line does not move the shots are equally hard. BECAUSE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THREE POINT ATTEMPTS ARE OPEN SHOTS REGARDLESS OF THE TEAMS ON THE FLOOR!!! Seriously how many players that arent stars have the leeway to shoot contested 25 foot shots?

We area talking about a 3 to 5 percent difference. You really think it is unreasonable that a guy playing with a star who is going to draw double teams is going to get 3 to 5 more wide open looks out of 100 shots? You saw the numbers on Steve Kerr and that was over 5 years with the Bulls and 10 years with other teams so there was plenty of sample size.

[horseofcourse]

I present the case of James Posey.

'04 Memphis 290 3s 39 percent
'06 Miami 290 3s 40 percent
'07 Miami 259 3s 38 percent
'08 Boston 279 3s 38 percent
'09 New Orleans 314 3s 37 percent

It appears to me in accordance with Dennis Green he is what he is and always has been. OF course he's played with mega stars his last 3 locales, but who was the mega star in Memphis getting him all those wide open looks?? Gasol?? Is Paul not a star enough to get his percentage to jump?? This is a bench player who takes a bunch of 3s who seems to be what he is regardless of his teammates.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

We area talking about a 3 to 5 percent difference. You really think it is unreasonable that a guy playing with a star who is going to draw double teams is going to get 3 to 5 more wide open looks out of 100 shots? You saw the numbers on Steve Kerr and that was over 5 years with the Bulls and 10 years with other teams so there was plenty of sample size.

Steve Kerr is not a good example because he simply got to play so much more with the Bulls than he did everywhere else. In Cleveland his 2nd year he shot just as well when he played 1600 minutes. His other non Bulls years he never played more than 900 minutes yet with chicago he played 2036, 1839, 1919, 1861 and his final year when hurt 1119 (when he shot his worst % by far)

Over the next three years post bulls he didnt play as many minutes total as he averaged a season with them. Not to mention his first season with Chicago when you figure you would see an uptick based on the superstar theory he actually shot 4 % below his career figure which is pulled down by his last few years as a 36 and 37 year old.

Personally I think for a good number of 3 point shooters it depends on where they get the shot from, and whether they are stepping into the shot or shooting it set, off a ball fake, off a right hand dribble and such. There are clearly spots and rythyms for most players that are comfort threes when open. Teams of course scout the 3 point shooters and attempt to take the comfortable 3 away. Shot charts can be useful for this of course as well as video.

So the variation from year to year might have something to do with where and during what situations guys are getting their 3's, especially with diff. coaches and teammates. Imo there are clearly teammates on some teams that do not recognize or care where and during what situations a good 3 guy is getting three point shot from.

[Cannon Shell]

Kidd to Lakers?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Kidd to Lakers?

Would be a horrible move.

How about Yao Ming possibly out all season and maybe done for his career?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Would be a horrible move.

How about Yao Ming possibly out all season and maybe done for his career?

I think Kidd instead of Fisher would be an improvement especially for what it will take to get him which wont be that much.

That sucks for Yao and Houston. The guy is just so freakin big.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think Kidd instead of Fisher would be an improvement especially for what it will take to get him which wont be that much.

That sucks for Yao and Houston. The guy is just so freakin big.

While Kidd in his prime is a hall of famer, he's way past his prime now. He has never been able to shoot. At least Fisher can knock down a few at times. And if Laker fans were horrified at Fisher's defense on Williams and Brooks in the playoffs, watching Kidd try to guard those guys might make you want to rip out your eyeballs. He can't do it anymore. And the thing with Fisher is that he doesn't need to dominate the ball. Kidd still does. I don't think he fits with what the Lakers have at all.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think Kidd instead of Fisher would be an improvement especially for what it will take to get him which wont be that much.

That sucks for Yao and Houston. The guy is just so freakin big.

It was a matter of time.
He has gotten a bit further than I personally expected.