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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

?? But man causes a large portion of the problem. That part can indeed be controlled.

Man tore up the prairie and man created the dust bowl years, and is responsible for the anemic soils of today that cannot be farmed unless the soil is supplemented with boatloads of fertilizer. He completely changed the face of the land in the US in only 300 years.

Man caused and continues to cause the death of countless wild species in the waters and on the land, and the lack of those species to occur in nature, and the imbalances and disease outbreaks and feasts/famines that resulted.

Man has created and caused flooding, death, destruction and a self-species population explosion and influence truely unique in the planets history, in only a few years relatively, with an arrogance and disregard that now has come home to roost.

The earth has never previously, in any of history we've discerned, had a huge overpopulation of one species that influences everything else, and fouls the water and the air and the land. Now it does.

i watched a show about the dust bowl-it seemed to think the primary cause was lack of rain caused by a very strange shift of the jet stream, which kept rain from coming for several years, leading to the drought. plowing didn't cause the drought, altho plowing and then having nothing growing allowed soil to shift-thousands of acres of topsoil was blown away. so, pretty easy to say it was all mans fault-but it wasn't. man had lived and grown crops in that area successfully for years-when there was rain.

the thing is, there are more scientists arguing that there is no real warming-there are also quite a few scientists saying there may be warming, but it's not man-made.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i watched a show about the dust bowl-it seemed to think the primary cause was lack of rain caused by a very strange shift of the jet stream, which kept rain from coming for several years, leading to the drought. plowing didn't cause the drought, altho plowing and then having nothing growing allowed soil to shift-thousands of acres of topsoil was blown away. so, pretty easy to say it was all mans fault-but it wasn't. man had lived and grown crops in that area successfully for years-when there was rain.

the thing is, there are more scientists arguing that there is no real warming-there are also quite a few scientists saying there may be warming, but it's not man-made.

There would have been no loss of thousands of acres of land, topsoil blown away, without man.

The only question regarding climate change is the extent of man's contribution, and the vast majority of respected scientists say it's plenty.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

There would have been no loss of thousands of acres of land, topsoil blown away, without man.

The only question regarding climate change is the extent of man's contribution, and the vast majority of respected scientists say it's plenty.

The dust bowl was man made? Wow. Just when i thought you couldn't top Jimmy Carter as a middle eastern savant you come up with this.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The dust bowl was man made? Wow. Just when i thought you couldn't top Jimmy Carter as a middle eastern savant you come up with this.

Ah, I forgot - you prefer personal attack to discussion.

ROFLMAO.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ah, I forgot - you prefer personal attack to discussion.

ROFLMAO.

That was an observation and you perceive it as a attack? Your view of Carter on mid east policy specifically Israel and humans creating the dustbowl were brought up in the same post and there now appears to be a 'pattern' of madness to your 'ideas'. That's all Chuck was saying. Now I can't wait to hear the relationship between tilled soil and draught? Please do tell!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

That was an observation and you perceive it as a attack? Your view of Carter on mid east policy specifically Israel and humans creating the dustbowl were brought up in the same post and there now appears to be a 'pattern' of madness to your 'ideas'. That's all Chuck was saying. Now I can't wait to hear the relationship between tilled soil and draught? Please do tell!!

Yes, Dell, when you respond to a post, but do not talk about the points raised by the other poster about the subject at hand, but rather you comment only about the poster, that is a personal attack.

It's a common response on internet lists for people that don't have any salient argument available regarding the subject matter at hand.

That some apparently repeatedly have difficulty following or understanding the points other posters may make doesn't automatically mean the posters are at fault

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, Dell, when you respond to a post, but do not talk about the points raised by the other poster about the subject at hand, but rather you comment only about the poster, that is a personal attack.

It's a common response on internet lists for people that don't have any salient argument available regarding the subject matter at hand.

That some apparently repeatedly have difficulty following or understanding the points other posters may make doesn't automatically mean the posters are at fault

I asked you repeatedly for whether you agree or disagree w/ Carter believing Israel's treatment of Palestinians is worse than Rwanda (missed all those Palestinians running around with burning tires hanging from them) and you went all over the place AVOIDING the subject at hand before finally saying you don't agree w/all his policies despite his great understanding of all things mid east. Then you say the dust bowl was the fault of man. I asked how did man create the draught and you go completely off subject attacking Chuck and presumably me for not having a 'salient' argument. Now I ask again please tell me how man created the draught and please keep on subject?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ah, I forgot - you prefer personal attack to discussion.

ROFLMAO.

Personal attack? It is just repeating what you said.