6/27-28 (BEL): Mother Goose (G1); First Flight H. (G2)

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Dont lie to yourself. You want them to run against each other too

I never said I didn't, but I get why they haven't and I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for them do so.

[Travis Stone]

In all seriousness, I'm referring to that old saying about horses in that there's only so much juice there to squeeze. Just because she wasn't whipped does not mean the race did not take anything out of her. She's run three really big races now in less than two months and we're only in June.

[10 pnt move up]

Moss

"we will find a way to make this happen"

I for one want it to be at CD, give RA 10 pounds, match race to boot.....so when Zenyatta beats her there is no excuse ( :

[Travis Stone]

If I were the Moss' I'd make it happen in the Beldame. Zenyatta doesn't seem to find her stride on the tighter turns but kicks-in nicely once she finds her stride down the stretch... she would do far better on the sweeping turns at Belmont Park in my opinion and be very tough to beat.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

If I were the Moss' I'd make it happen in the Beldame. Zenyatta doesn't seem to find her stride on the tighter turns but kicks-in nicely once she finds her stride down the stretch... she would do far better on the sweeping turns at Belmont Park in my opinion and be very tough to beat.

I would look to Belmont as well

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Moss

"we will find a way to make this happen"

I for one want it to be at CD, give RA 10 pounds, match race to boot.....so when Zenyatta beats her there is no excuse ( :

it's a shame oaklawn is closed-they both won there, it's centrally located...and only two hours away!

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Moss

"we will find a way to make this happen"

I for one want it to be at CD, give RA 10 pounds, match race to boot.....so when Zenyatta beats her there is no excuse ( :

A match race would be horribly unfair to the slow to get moving Zenyatta, if anything she should be given the weight break

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

A match race would be horribly unfair to the slow to get moving Zenyatta, if anything she should be given the weight break

Its perfectly fair, if Zenyatta is the real deal then she should win.

Zenyatta is to Easy Goer as RA is to Sunday Silence.....and in each case and in this the better horse will prove out.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Its perfectly fair, if Zenyatta is the real deal then she should win.

Zenyatta is to Easy Goer as RA is to Sunday Silence.....and in each case and in this the better horse will prove out.

Thankfully Steve is in the Dottie/Moss's inner circle and we will all be privy to what Dottie Jerry and Ann have in mind soon..

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Thankfully Steve is in the Dottie/Moss's inner circle and we will all be privy to what Dottie Jerry and Ann have in mind soon..

lol, your killing me this week.

[tector]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Its perfectly fair, if Zenyatta is the real deal then she should win.

Zenyatta is to Easy Goer as RA is to Sunday Silence.....and in each case and in this the better horse will prove out.

At the risk of invoking what is, by far, the worst memory I have of any race, this is much more like Bayakoa and Go For Wand. That was easily the most eagerly anticipated BC race that year, and for 95% of the way it lived up to its billing.

I am creeped out just typing that observation.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by tector

At the risk of invoking what is, by far, the worst memory I have of any race, this is much more like Bayakoa and Go For Wand. That was easily the most eagerly anticipated BC race that year, and for 95% of the way it lived up to its billing.

I am creeped out just typing that observation.

I've got to say, that's exactly what's been running through my head. Especially when, prior to the Preakness, Go For Wand got brought up as a possible comparison for Rachel (although some said you could really only look to Genuine Risk and Winning Colors). I'm sure the striking faces of both fillies has something to do with it. If RA were a chestnut or had a star instead, I wonder if we'd have jumped so quickly to GFW. I'd be afraid we wouldn't get many takers if the prospective entrants of a race had to face both Zenyatta and RA. I know some folks still get excited by match races, but since Ruffian the idea always makes me nervous.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Its perfectly fair, if Zenyatta is the real deal then she should win.

Zenyatta is to Easy Goer as RA is to Sunday Silence.....and in each case and in this the better horse will prove out.

A match race between RA and Zenyatta would have RA setting fractions of what I imagine would be 24, 48 and 1:12 or something like that. Can you imagine the early part of the race being any different? And if RA can set those types of fractions in any race, how can she lose?

[tector]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

A match race between RA and Zenyatta would have RA setting fractions of what I imagine would be 24, 48 and 1:12 or something like that. Can you imagine the early part of the race being any different? And if RA can set those types of fractions in any race, how can she lose?

Obviously. That is why I'd rather see them in the context of a legit race field.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

A match race between RA and Zenyatta would have RA setting fractions of what I imagine would be 24, 48 and 1:12 or something like that. Can you imagine the early part of the race being any different? And if RA can set those types of fractions in any race, how can she lose?

She couldn't lose. Borel would be doing cartwheels on her back at the 1/8th pole as Zenyatta tried to close the gap and he'd start his interview at the 1/16th pole.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

In all seriousness, I'm referring to that old saying about horses in that there's only so much juice there to squeeze. Just because she wasn't whipped does not mean the race did not take anything out of her. She's run three really big races now in less than two months and we're only in June.

Travis stop it...really. You're taking a blanket remark about normal horses and throwing it over a horse that may not be an all-time great but is clearly not normal. We're treating horses like such pansies right now and it's ideas like thinking that huge performances where they win on cruise control leave them zapped that have led us to crowning "champions" every year.

NT

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Travis stop it...really. You're taking a blanket remark about normal horses and throwing it over a horse that may not be an all-time great but is clearly not normal. We're treating horses like such pansies right now and it's ideas like thinking that huge performances where they win on cruise control leave them zapped that have led us to crowning "champions" every year.

NT

Stop what?

I'm not taking anything away from her, I'm just saying it'll be hard to continue to duplicate these performances throughout the rest of the year, especially in races like the Travers where there will be more quality to test her at certain parts of the race, after continual big effort after big effort. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying this.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Flashing must have really hit a wall in deep stretch.

The chart has her in front by 8 lengths at the 1/8th pole .. and finishing last by more than 30. I guess she needs a cut-back to a mile.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Flashing must have really hit a wall in deep stretch.

The chart has her in front by 8 lengths at the 1/8th pole .. and finishing last by more than 30. I guess she needs a cut-back to a mile.

We should have entered Ask my Lawyer

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Flashing must have really hit a wall in deep stretch.

The chart has her in front by 8 lengths at the 1/8th pole .. and finishing last by more than 30. I guess she needs a cut-back to a mile.

The funny thing is that in a sale catalog in a few years a foal is going to be by Grade I placed mare Flashing.

NT