Cap and Trade vote on Friday

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not a 'majority rules' argument??? i wonder if more would step forward if they didn't fear a backlash. galileo was right, but denied his own correct findings to avoid being burned at the stake.

You are really comparing the plight of the modern scientist to Galileo?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You are really comparing the plight of the modern scientist to Galileo?

i mentioned galileo as an example of someone who was afraid to speak the truth-obviously i don't expect someone to be charged with heresy anymore.

you've heard the term safety in numbers, right? no one wants to be called a crackpot. more scientists are rethinking the whole global warming deal-who knows when thing will tilt in the other direction? if in a few years time, the majority of scientists said there's no man made global warming, will you be content with that? how much is science, and how much is jumping on the bandwagon? the fact that scientists change sides has got to make you wonder just how much real science is involved-at least it does me. science is supposed to be based on facts, not beliefs-which is probably why some call it the 'new religion'.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i mentioned galileo as an example of someone who was afraid to speak the truth-obviously i don't expect someone to be charged with heresy anymore.

you've heard the term safety in numbers, right? no one wants to be called a crackpot. more scientists are rethinking the whole global warming deal-who knows when thing will tilt in the other direction? if in a few years time, the majority of scientists said there's no man made global warming, will you be content with that? how much is science, and how much is jumping on the bandwagon? the fact that scientists change sides has got to make you wonder just how much real science is involved-at least it does me. science is supposed to be based on facts, not beliefs-which is probably why some call it the 'new religion'.

We are talking about 700 scientists worldwide!!!! Do you understand how small of a number that is? You can find far more than 700 people that don't believe we landed on the moon. And today's society is completely different than from in Galileo's time. Back then you were executed if you went against the common belief. Now the only way to make your name is to go against the common belief. And how about all the scientists that spoke up for man made global warming in the early days that were ridiculed by the media and turned out to be right? Weren't they also afraid of being called a crackpot (which many of them were)?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

We are talking about 700 scientists worldwide!!!! Do you understand how small of a number that is? You can find far more than 700 people that don't believe we landed on the moon. And today's society is completely different than from in Galileo's time. Back then you were executed if you went against the common belief. Now the only way to make your name is to go against the common belief. And how about all the scientists that spoke up for man made global warming in the early days that were ridiculed by the media and turned out to be right? Weren't they also afraid of being called a crackpot (which many of them were)?

Exactly how many people are experts in this field? Have any idea? How many top universities are there in the world that have a sciences dept that study this issue in depth? Surely you dont think that there are tens of thousands of experts in this field? Outside of a university or govt setting, how many of these type of people have positions?