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Old 06-25-2009, 09:32 PM
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Funny how when Mo tells it like it is..Folks get awful quite. You want me to tell you I am not looking to steal next week at PID with a dog Pa Bred that I bought for 6k.. I can't and won't. I will tell you that it is the biggest waste of money that the industry continues to afford. Imagine Chuck a piece of crap Macho Uno that DrugS and I bought for 6k is going to be 4/5 for 44k.. And how does this help racing long term? The industry figures will take the 25k and reinvest it in 2 grooms jobs for a year? lol
It keeps owners in the game? I suppose you would prefer that slot money went Donald Trump, Steve Wynn or another casino owner? Or better yet, to the never ending black hole of state govt? Think that race is gonna be bad, check out the third at Indiana on th 29th.
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Old 06-25-2009, 09:51 PM
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It keeps owners in the game? I suppose you would prefer that slot money went Donald Trump, Steve Wynn or another casino owner? Or better yet, to the never ending black hole of state govt? Think that race is gonna be bad, check out the third at Indiana on th 29th.
Chuck you shouldn't be able to buy a a Gary Truman pig in California for 6.5k that suxs and be 4/5 in a 45k Pa bred race
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:08 PM
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Chuck you shouldn't be able to buy a a Gary Truman pig in California for 6.5k that suxs and be 4/5 in a 45k Pa bred race
Is that Eddie Truman's brother? If so, and he's as bad with his stock as Eddie, I'd be shocked if that horse can walk.
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:11 PM
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Chuck you shouldn't be able to buy a a Gary Truman pig in California for 6.5k that suxs and be 4/5 in a 45k Pa bred race
Who exactly does this hurt?
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Old 06-25-2009, 10:01 PM
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It keeps owners in the game? I suppose you would prefer that slot money went Donald Trump, Steve Wynn or another casino owner? Or better yet, to the never ending black hole of state govt? Think that race is gonna be bad, check out the third at Indiana on th 29th.
Chuck these are bad horses very bad horses slow horses horses that have no business being exploited. Use the slot money wisely. Delving out 45k to completely horrenedous stock is BS. You are encourageing me to drop a foal in Pa that might have a BSF potential of 75? This is good? Should Gary and I be rewarded by dropping in Pa. with a foal that is bred to be fair? Look if the foal turns out to be Seattle Slew great and we will all sing Kumbyya but most likely will need to run a 67 BSF to win 29k???? There is something very wrong with that message.. 4 to 6 open horse run in two other then.. 17 drop in for a mdn spl at PID in a Pa bred race and 5 cant run a 40 Beyer.. Not exactly intelligent use of slot dollars..
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:18 PM
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Chuck these are bad horses very bad horses slow horses horses that have no business being exploited. Use the slot money wisely. Delving out 45k to completely horrenedous stock is BS. You are encourageing me to drop a foal in Pa that might have a BSF potential of 75? This is good? Should Gary and I be rewarded by dropping in Pa. with a foal that is bred to be fair? Look if the foal turns out to be Seattle Slew great and we will all sing Kumbyya but most likely will need to run a 67 BSF to win 29k???? There is something very wrong with that message.. 4 to 6 open horse run in two other then.. 17 drop in for a mdn spl at PID in a Pa bred race and 5 cant run a 40 Beyer.. Not exactly intelligent use of slot dollars..
How exactly are horses being exploited? What would you do with the slot money? The breeding program in PA has been hugely effected in a positive manner. People are sending mares there, there are new farms opening up, more foals raised there. More hay being sold, more money being spent. PA breds may be bad now but will improve as better stock moves into the state. One of the reasons that there are short fields everywhere is that a lot of owners cant afford to keep horses in training. At least at tracks with slots an owner has a chance at getting some of his money back. You do realize that PA made the tracks guarantee that they ran a certain number of statebred races in order to make their breeding program more attractive. What should they do with the slot dollars?
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Old 06-26-2009, 06:44 AM
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How exactly are horses being exploited? What would you do with the slot money? The breeding program in PA has been hugely effected in a positive manner. People are sending mares there, there are new farms opening up, more foals raised there. More hay being sold, more money being spent. PA breds may be bad now but will improve as better stock moves into the state. One of the reasons that there are short fields everywhere is that a lot of owners cant afford to keep horses in training. At least at tracks with slots an owner has a chance at getting some of his money back. You do realize that PA made the tracks guarantee that they ran a certain number of statebred races in order to make their breeding program more attractive. What should they do with the slot dollars?
Ok keep going you started the storybook and got to the middle of the book. Right now it sounds like a fairy tale the book ends like a horror story.
Ok so its in vogue to USE PA. and its slots so owners now rush to land of milk and honey.. They drop in Pa, race in Pa., buy hay in Pa, and in turn Pa.'s slots subsidizes the sport not its patrons ... Chapter 6 now sees Pa artificially expand there industry as owners and business folks rush to grab the 45k mdn spl money, and all those must run pa races, and must spend dollars. Chapter 7 Ohio gets slots, Chapter 8, WV get more agressive to get more slot revenus and expands and makes slots more attractive with better pay outs because their horseman lobby that the once 19k 5 claimer race is now running for 6200, and the horses are gone. Chapter 9 PID and Philly Park, start to feel the competition there programs start to decline because the players are wiped out or in WV. Chapter 10 oops we have a ton of horses and now the 44k mdn spl is 25k and the hay guy isn't delivering hay. Chapter 11 HBO revisits the kill pen guy since there are so many horses that chased the slot dollars that aren't there anymore..

Basically it irresponsible to expand a business especially a business that on its on merits is currently broke by throwing money at it. It's like that commercial where they just thru money at any issue. Slots are the same thing 5 hour energy drink that has you crashing and feeling crappy then before you took it.

While I respect everyone opinion here that isn't a RA RA go baby go, love you girl fan. I fail to understand why if you love something as much as I do that you could continue to let it to destroy itself with foolish concepts. Listening to Tony Black laud how Delaware Park was saved by slots Yada Yada Yada is beyond insane. Delaware Park while lovely and somewhat historic, Steve don't get all mysty eyed with me now, is basically an operation that will close its doors the minute Slots/ gambling wain in there existence. The minute that the state and or citizens of the state decide to use the land for something that is better its over johnny. When Steve posted Nerud's thoughts on the future of NY racing it was a plan. While it may have be wrong(i really dont know) at least it was a cogent plan. The state governments need to help develop industry and racing should be one that has appeal to all. What racing needs is a plan a plan that they can hang their hat on and present to elected officials. One that tells officials if you give us ex dollars each year for a period of time we are going to invest those dollars in a manner that will return X dollars in tax revenue and X job etc. etc. It needs someone to run it like a business not a like a kid in a candy store (slots) swallowing as much candy as it can as fast as it can and then calling the trip to the Dr a revenue producer or calling the new candy salesman a new sustainable job.

I always hope that when reading posts and spending time exploring these issues I get inspired by someone who has an idea or plan. Hopefully people use these boards as mechanisms to interact and inject like on the subject. As Steve Byk can explain, much of the common law we have in society today is because off the expansive arguing and discussions of Talmudic study. You have to open the wound and let people figure out how to heal it. You cant just keep covering it up with money hoping it will go away. If that isn't love then I guess I will never know love.

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