Rampillion!!!!!!

[Echo Farm]

Congratulations DT!

And thanks to those who posted the photos.


don

[sdjcom]

i'm a couple of days late but congrats to the DT family on the win,time for Rampillion to move forward.

[10 pnt move up]

Who kidnapped Freddy?

Usually he goes off the deep end.....but rarely makes valid points doing it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Who kidnapped Freddy?

Usually he goes off the deep end.....but rarely makes valid points doing it.

especially at 4:55 am

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

especially at 4:55 am

Funny how when Mo tells it like it is..Folks get awful quite. You want me to tell you I am not looking to steal next week at PID with a dog Pa Bred that I bought for 6k.. I can't and won't. I will tell you that it is the biggest waste of money that the industry continues to afford. Imagine Chuck a piece of crap Macho Uno that DrugS and I bought for 6k is going to be 4/5 for 44k.. And how does this help racing long term? The industry figures will take the 25k and reinvest it in 2 grooms jobs for a year? lol

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Funny how when Mo tells it like it is..Folks get awful quite. You want me to tell you I am not looking to steal next week at PID with a dog Pa Bred that I bought for 6k.. I can't and won't. I will tell you that it is the biggest waste of money that the industry continues to afford. Imagine Chuck a piece of crap Macho Uno that DrugS and I bought for 6k is going to be 4/5 for 44k.. And how does this help racing long term? The industry figures will take the 25k and reinvest it in 2 grooms jobs for a year? lol

It keeps owners in the game? I suppose you would prefer that slot money went Donald Trump, Steve Wynn or another casino owner? Or better yet, to the never ending black hole of state govt? Think that race is gonna be bad, check out the third at Indiana on th 29th.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It keeps owners in the game? I suppose you would prefer that slot money went Donald Trump, Steve Wynn or another casino owner? Or better yet, to the never ending black hole of state govt? Think that race is gonna be bad, check out the third at Indiana on th 29th.

Chuck you shouldn't be able to buy a a Gary Truman pig in California for 6.5k that suxs and be 4/5 in a 45k Pa bred race

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It keeps owners in the game? I suppose you would prefer that slot money went Donald Trump, Steve Wynn or another casino owner? Or better yet, to the never ending black hole of state govt? Think that race is gonna be bad, check out the third at Indiana on th 29th.

Chuck these are bad horses very bad horses slow horses horses that have no business being exploited. Use the slot money wisely. Delving out 45k to completely horrenedous stock is BS. You are encourageing me to drop a foal in Pa that might have a BSF potential of 75? This is good? Should Gary and I be rewarded by dropping in Pa. with a foal that is bred to be fair? Look if the foal turns out to be Seattle Slew great and we will all sing Kumbyya but most likely will need to run a 67 BSF to win 29k???? There is something very wrong with that message.. 4 to 6 open horse run in two other then.. 17 drop in for a mdn spl at PID in a Pa bred race and 5 cant run a 40 Beyer.. Not exactly intelligent use of slot dollars..

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Funny how when Mo tells it like it is..Folks get awful quite. You want me to tell you I am not looking to steal next week at PID with a dog Pa Bred that I bought for 6k.. I can't and won't. I will tell you that it is the biggest waste of money that the industry continues to afford. Imagine Chuck a piece of crap Macho Uno that DrugS and I bought for 6k is going to be 4/5 for 44k.. And how does this help racing long term? The industry figures will take the 25k and reinvest it in 2 grooms jobs for a year? lol

Yes Freddy. People are 'quite'... Quite exasperated. Quite exhausted. Quite confounded. Tough to respond to someone that is making points on both sides of the discussion as you seem to be doing.

The fundamental issue here is whether you accept that the tithe money from alternate gaming that goes to racing interests is justifiable or not. Many accept that racing is the grandfather and standard-setter for gambling in this country for more than a century. As such, and as an agri-business with renewable and sustainable resources that give it an edge on the casino industry, it is entitled to 'wet its' beak' off the other modern gaming options.

You don't agree based seemingly on moral principals and a somewhat strange view point based on the quality of the competition the revenue bolsters. Fine. I don't think casino games like Acey Duecy, Pagow Poker, Wheel of Fortune or the slots themselves and scratch off Lottery tickets constitute 'quality competition' or 'entertainment value' myself, but I don't begrudge those that partake.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Yes Freddy. People are 'quite'... Quite exasperated. Quite exhausted. Quite confounded. Tough to respond to someone that is making points on both sides of the discussion as you seem to be doing.

The fundamental issue here is whether you accept that the tithe money from alternate gaming that goes to racing interests is justifiable or not. Many accept that racing is the grandfather and standard-setter for gambling in this country for more than a century. As such, and as an agri-business with renewable and sustainable resources that give it an edge on the casino industry, it is entitled to 'wet its' beak' off the other modern gaming options.

You don't agree based seemingly on moral principals and a somewhat strange view point based on the quality of the competition the revenue bolsters. Fine. I don't think casino games like Acey Duecy, Pagow Poker, Wheel of Fortune or the slots themselves and scratch off Lottery tickets constitute 'quality competition' or 'entertainment value' myself, but I don't begrudge those that partake.

I will take the money if I can make it. I am not a fool if I can earn I will Steve. I have never repped I wouldn't.

The revenue is misdirected in fact misdirected is a horrible choice of words it is directionless. There is no plan, accept how to give the money away. There isn't a methodology to invest it into the industry. Use it or lose it dump it into the purses and into breeders awards and tell the wolves to come and get it. Then when all the lambs are slaughtered and dead there is nothing left to eat.
Its funny all the slot arguments are based on entitlement. Either we are entitled because they have them or we are entitled because you have other gambling. Nobody says the industry can be viable if we invest with our state government correctly to build a strong product.. Nope folks want there pound of flesh they want it now they want to eat it and then when they are hungry again they want more. They don't want to plow the fields. water the soil, fertilize the land, and wait for the harvest..Nope they just gotta have those fast bucks.

Everybody is so worried about Ky not having a few meets and how adversely effected the breeders and other jobs in the industry will exist. I leave in Central Jersey the once hot bed of Standard bred racing..Lots of farms lots of jobs and lots of horses are gone,, they went to were the better money was from slots because the teet money from AC is drying up. I guess that is what happens when the proliteration of too much gambling hits an industry that subsidizes it..And you want this to continue so in 5 years KY is in the same mess that others have fallen into..

How about biting the bullet.Less racing date less meets less jobs less trainers less owners and please fewer horses. Then you get to a point were strong owners come in to the land scape. Either partnerships like DT were 500 people invest 1000 buck each to buy 2 to 4 well bred horses from stallions who raced till they were 4 and were sound. Were you have allocated 36k a year for trainer expense and all recognize the risks in advance. Or owners that like in 1934 have more then enough money to fund there HOBBY correctly. How about then the product might attract genuine interst becase the horses that are running need to be fast and sound because there are limited venues and dates. The weak wil fail the strong will survive the industry will become more piopular with a stronger centralized fan base. And perhaps betting the sport will become entertaining an popular again?

BTW did KY not having slots help handle decline 1 billion last year.. I suggest if handle goes up you don't have to worry about other industry supporting yours. Worry about the friggin handle and the industry will prosper in due time.

Amazing you spent endless hours on slots and why EVERYBODY needs them. And in one fleeting minute all those babies crying for their bottle could have been silienced if they explored the answer to increasing the handle.