NBA Draft 2009

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Even though it's international play and against good players, it's still exhibition ball for the most part. Consider how good Patrick Mills of Australia looked. After watching him in the Olympics, you half expected him to completely dominate in college at Santa Clara and while he has been a good college player, he's not reached the levels of his rave Olympic reviews.

Uh he was hurt...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Uh he was hurt...

He played well...but in a league that is not exactly known for defense and its not like he was putting up 40 a game. He averaged 18 per game and shot 40% from the field.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He played well...but in a league that is not exactly known for defense and its not like he was putting up 40 a game. He averaged 18 per game and shot 40% from the field.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/college...c-without-him/

I think he is an Aaron Brooks type who will do just fine with the right team but those kind of guys arent highly coveted. He is not a great shooter but that is something that can be improved.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/college...c-without-him/

I think he is an Aaron Brooks type who will do just fine with the right team but those kind of guys arent highly coveted. He is not a great shooter but that is something that can be improved.

I actually like mills. At the same time, no one is talking about drafting him with the number 2 or 3 pick. If you based his worth on what he did in the olympics, you woul have him going much higher.

Rubio is being judged on international play. Thats a slippery slope especially for a guy that looks like he may not have the athletic ability to play in the league.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I actually like mills. At the same time, no one is talking about drafting him with the number 2 or 3 pick. If you based his worth on what he did in the olympics, you woul have him going much higher.

Rubio is being judged on international play. Thats a slippery slope especially for a guy that looks like he may not have the athletic ability to play in the league.

Mills will be overseas in a couple years. He turns the ball over way too much. Isn't good enough to run the point in the NBA and isn't big enough to play shooting guard in the NBA. He's like the poor man's Steph Curry and Curry will be a career backup in the NBA.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I actually like mills. At the same time, no one is talking about drafting him with the number 2 or 3 pick. If you based his worth on what he did in the olympics, you woul have him going much higher.

Rubio is being judged on international play. Thats a slippery slope especially for a guy that looks like he may not have the athletic ability to play in the league.

If Mills was 18 and 6'5" he would be a lottery pick. Rubio certainly has enough athletic ability to play in the NBA. It isn't a matter of if he can play, it is how good will he be? A good player, a minor star, or a major star. Shooting is something that usually improves as a player matures and can be worked on. He will become a better shooter. He will also grow and fill out. The guy has star quality.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If Mills was 18 and 6'5" he would be a lottery pick. Rubio certainly has enough athletic ability to play in the NBA. It isn't a matter of if he can play, it is how good will he be? A good player, a minor star, or a major star. Shooting is something that usually improves as a player matures and can be worked on. He will become a better shooter. He will also grow and fill out. The guy has star quality.

We will see and i will acknowledge being wrong if that is the case. I am just leery of not particularly fast bordering on slow point guards that dont shoot well. Somehow that doesnt seem to work in the nibba. Maybe Rubio will be the exception.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

We will see and i will acknowledge being wrong if that is the case. I am just leery of not particularly fast bordering on slow point guards that dont shoot well. Somehow that doesnt seem to work in the nibba. Maybe Rubio will be the exception.

What makes you think he isnt fast or quick?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Uh he was hurt...

Not the whole season. He played 26 games last year and averaged 18 points, four assists, and three turnovers per game while shooting 40% from the field (34% on threes).

The year before that, he averaged 15, three and a half assists, and three turnovers shooting 43% (32%).

Hardly bad numbers for a freshman and then a sophomore but hardly earth moving considering the conference he was playing in and after reading all of his Olympic press, you'd think he would be much better. The Olympics tend to do this with guys a lot. The Lakers took a guy off the Chinese Olympic team that can't get off their developmental squad. Some years back, I remember Andrew Gaze would kill people in the Olympics but was just an average college player. Does anyone believe Oscar Schmidt could have come to the NBA scoring 35 a game?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Not the whole season. He played 26 games last year and averaged 18 points, four assists, and three turnovers per game while shooting 40% from the field (34% on threes).

The year before that, he averaged 15, three and a half assists, and three turnovers shooting 43% (32%).

Hardly bad numbers for a freshman and then a sophomore but hardly earth moving considering the conference he was playing in and after reading all of his Olympic press, you'd think he would be much better. The Olympics tend to do this with guys a lot. The Lakers took a guy off the Chinese Olympic team that can't get off their developmental squad. Some years back, I remember Andrew Gaze would kill people in the Olympics but was just an average college player. Does anyone believe Oscar Schmidt could have come to the NBA scoring 35 a game?

And remember when everyone was expecting Carlos Arroyo to become the next top point guard after he led Puerto Rico to the blowout win over the US in the '04 Olympics?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

And remember when everyone was expecting Carlos Arroyo to become the next top point guard after he led Puerto Rico to the blowout win over the US in the '04 Olympics?

Who was expecting that? He wasn't even drafted.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who was expecting that? He wasn't even drafted.

He'd already been in the league for 3 years at that point. That was when everyone was lamenting the death of the American point guard and saying that guys like Arroyo were the future of the position in the NBA. Oops.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He'd already been in the league for 3 years at that point. That was when everyone was lamenting the death of the American point guard and saying that guys like Arroyo were the future of the position in the NBA. Oops.

Maybe there were just lamenting the death of AI's version of the american point guard? I dont know anyone who took anything out of that loss other than the US had to do a better job of putting a team together and that Larry Brown was poor selection to coach that team.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Not the whole season. He played 26 games last year and averaged 18 points, four assists, and three turnovers per game while shooting 40% from the field (34% on threes).

The year before that, he averaged 15, three and a half assists, and three turnovers shooting 43% (32%).

Hardly bad numbers for a freshman and then a sophomore but hardly earth moving considering the conference he was playing in and after reading all of his Olympic press, you'd think he would be much better. The Olympics tend to do this with guys a lot. The Lakers took a guy off the Chinese Olympic team that can't get off their developmental squad. Some years back, I remember Andrew Gaze would kill people in the Olympics but was just an average college player. Does anyone believe Oscar Schmidt could have come to the NBA scoring 35 a game?

I'm not sure I am understanding using Patty Mills as an example of Euros (or Aussies in his case) not being good players? Mills was the best player in his league. He is a 6 foot 175 pound point guard. What exactly was he supposed to do? You do realize that they play 40 minute games in the NCAA? Do I have to start using Euro/foreigners that have been lights out? Pau, Dirk, Drazen Petrovic, Peja, Tony Parker, Hedo, Detleff, Manu, etc?

Rubio is a 6'5' point guard who excelled playing in professional leagues and the Olympics at age 17 and 18. Who else does that? Think he'd be heavily recruited if he decided to go to a US college this year? To say that the Olympics are exhibitions is ridiculous unless you didnt bother watching them. Hell Kobe played harder there than he did most of the regular season.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm not sure I am understanding using Patty Mills as an example of Euros (or Aussies in his case) not being good players? Mills was the best player in his league. He is a 6 foot 175 pound point guard. What exactly was he supposed to do? You do realize that they play 40 minute games in the NCAA? Do I have to start using Euro/foreigners that have been lights out? Pau, Dirk, Drazen Petrovic, Peja, Tony Parker, Hedo, Detleff, Manu, etc?

Rubio is a 6'5' point guard who excelled playing in professional leagues and the Olympics at age 17 and 18. Who else does that? Think he'd be heavily recruited if he decided to go to a US college this year? To say that the Olympics are exhibitions is ridiculous unless you didnt bother watching them. Hell Kobe played harder there than he did most of the regular season.

Execelled? He didnt even start most of the time. The only reason he got big time in the olympics is because Fernandez got injured.