U.S. Open

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

come on Scott this is just idiotic! First off, he's not the best golfer ever, he's tied for #1 or just under #1 (will be tied for #1 by the end of his career).

MJ had holes in his game too. He could have been a better defender and passer.

Only in your mind (and probably Scuds) is Tiger not in MJ territory.

We are going to have to agree to strongly disagree on this one. Tiger is not in MJ territory until he gets that dramatic come from behind win.

[Gander]

I think Tiger is superb, but someone want to explain to me how you can possibly say that he didnt choke today and Phil did? Both missed putts all day long, and all of them were in key (clutch) situations. I'm sorry but in the last round of a major, someone want to tell me how missing a short putt on 11 isnt as much of a choke as it is on 16?

Cmmon, the best 2 golfers in the world both blew it today. End of story.
Ones got 14 and the other has 3, but one can easily argue both guys should have won this today.

That crap about A game, B game, C game is so overdone. Why only for Tiger? Does Phil not have an A, B and C game?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

I think Tiger is superb, but someone want to explain to me how you can possibly say that he didnt choke today and Phil did? Both missed putts all day long, and all of them were in key (clutch) situations. I'm sorry but in the last round of a major, someone want to tell me how missing a short putt on 11 isnt as much of a choke as it is on 16?

Cmmon, the best 2 golfers in the world both blew it today. End of story.
Ones got 14 and the other has 3, but one can easily argue both guys should have won this today.

That crap about A game, B game, C game is so overdone. Why only for Tiger? Does Phil not have an A, B and C game?

Maybe he choked but he putted bad all week... its not like he was lighting it up like Phil all week and missed some easy ones at the end.

Basically it comes down to Phils a proven choker where Tiger is a proven winner. One day of bad putting when he had a whole week of bad putting isnt "choking" to me. Its not like he folded under pressure (thats choking to me) he just didnt bring his putter with him at all this week. Big difference in my mind. Hey I'm sure Tiger things he choked beginning on Thursday. He choked all four rounds and still finished 6th.

But hey you can believe whatever you want!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

I think Tiger is superb, but someone want to explain to me how you can possibly say that he didnt choke today and Phil did? Both missed putts all day long, and all of them were in key (clutch) situations. I'm sorry but in the last round of a major, someone want to tell me how missing a short putt on 11 isnt as much of a choke as it is on 16?

Cmmon, the best 2 golfers in the world both blew it today. End of story.
Ones got 14 and the other has 3, but one can easily argue both guys should have won this today.

That crap about A game, B game, C game is so overdone. Why only for Tiger? Does Phil not have an A, B and C game?

yes he does

the difference between tiger and phil is simple timmy , if tiger is tied with lucas glover with 4 holes to play in a us open - he ain't losing , no way no how , ever

[Gander]

Lighting it up? Thats exactly how Phil plays...3,4 birdies, an eagle but a few bogeys and double bogeys as well. Steady is hardly a term that comes to mind when describing Phil's play, which is why he is so popular and enjoyable to watch, and at the same time why he has failed to win so many more majors.

Call it what you want but Tiger completely choked today. Forget what he did the last 3 days. The bottom line is at one point today, he was 3 shots off the lead and he still had 3 holes left to put himself as the leader in the clubhouse. But he hit bad shots and made even worse putts.

Even if he did putt horrible all week long, which by his standards he did...what the hell does that have to do with the last nine holes of a major where the guys in front of you are struggling, given you a window to walk through and make things very close? Its absurd to bring up the way Tiger putted the first 63 holes of this tournament.

As bad as he did, the fact is he knew he still had an excellent chance to win and he didnt.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

Lighting it up? Thats exactly how Phil plays...3,4 birdies, an eagle but a few bogeys and double bogeys as well. Steady is hardly a term that comes to mind when describing Phil's play, which is why he is so popular and enjoyable to watch, and at the same time why he has failed to win so many more majors.

Call it what you want but Tiger completely choked today. Forget what he did the last 3 days. The bottom line is at one point today, he was 3 shots off the lead and he still had 3 holes left to put himself as the leader in the clubhouse. But he hit bad shots and made even worse putts.

Even if he did putt horrible all week long, which by his standards he did...what the hell does that have to do with the last nine holes of a major where the guys in front of you are struggling, given you a window to walk through and make things very close? Its absurd to bring up the way Tiger putted the first 63 holes of this tournament.

As bad as he did, the fact is he knew he still had an excellent chance to win and he didnt.

whatever makes you happy man! but I 100% disagree!

[Gander]

Look, I am a huge fan of Tigers. He probably is my favorite professional athlete in any sport. If you told me growing up that my favorite "athlete" would be a golfer, I would have thought you were crazy.

I'm just being a little objective here. Knowing the personalities of both Tiger and Phil I could pretty much guarntee you that both players feel like they let another major slip away. More obvious to the casual fan was Phil who was tied late in the round, but Tiger would never kid himself...this was one that he let get away.

As GPK said earlier, as bad as he putted, the fact is he was still (in his mind) very much in contention and one of the more likelier winners as late as the
16th-17th holes.

Without Tiger and Phil, the PGA Tour would be the equivalent of Harness Racing.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

Look, I am a huge fan of Tigers. He probably is my favorite professional athlete in any sport. If you told me growing up that my favorite "athlete" would be a golfer, I would have thought you were crazy.

I'm just being a little objective here. Knowing the personalities of both Tiger and Phil I could pretty much guarntee you that both players feel like they let another major slip away. More obvious to the casual fan was Phil who was tied late in the round, but Tiger would never kid himself...this was one that he let get away.

As GPK said earlier, as bad as he putted, the fact is he was still (in his mind) very much in contention and one of the more likelier winners as late as the
16th-17th holes.

Without Tiger and Phil, the PGA Tour would be the equivalent of Harness Racing.

now this I 100% agree with! I'm sure Tiger knows he let this slip away. I've never seen him miss so many makeable birdie putts. If this was a regular US Open where a -1 or E par wins its okay to make par after par... but you had to score to win this tourney. Tiger should have won and he should have putted better, & its crazy that he was even in contention while averaging 30 putts per round. But I just dont think he choked. Choking is folding under pressure, and he didnt do that... he just didnt have it.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Gander

Lighting it up? Thats exactly how Phil plays...3,4 birdies, an eagle but a few bogeys and double bogeys as well. Steady is hardly a term that comes to mind when describing Phil's play, which is why he is so popular and enjoyable to watch, and at the same time why he has failed to win so many more majors.

Call it what you want but Tiger completely choked today. Forget what he did the last 3 days. The bottom line is at one point today, he was 3 shots off the lead and he still had 3 holes left to put himself as the leader in the clubhouse. But he hit bad shots and made even worse putts.

Even if he did putt horrible all week long, which by his standards he did...what the hell does that have to do with the last nine holes of a major where the guys in front of you are struggling, given you a window to walk through and make things very close? Its absurd to bring up the way Tiger putted the first 63 holes of this tournament.

As bad as he did, the fact is he knew he still had an excellent chance to win and he didnt.

Tim, I love ya like a brother, you know that...but Tiger only hit 1 bad shot in his last 6 holes (the chip shot on 15). Other than that he hit it just about perfect coming down the stretch today..he just choked it on the greens.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Gander

I think Tiger is superb, but someone want to explain to me how you can possibly say that he didnt choke today and Phil did? Both missed putts all day long, and all of them were in key (clutch) situations. I'm sorry but in the last round of a major, someone want to tell me how missing a short putt on 11 isnt as much of a choke as it is on 16?

Cmmon, the best 2 golfers in the world both blew it today. End of story.
Ones got 14 and the other has 3, but one can easily argue both guys should have won this today.

That crap about A game, B game, C game is so overdone. Why only for Tiger? Does Phil not have an A, B and C game?

Hello!! This is why some of the lesser guys are now winning Majors with over-par final rounds.