U.S. Open

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

This was what you said.

If you seriously think that you can hit more shots or play more shots than me....well, I don't know what to say.

If u don't think I can hit high hooks, low fades, punch wedges, buried sand shots or flop shots....well again, I don't know what to say.

You do realize that the one round we played together, I was less than 1 year removed from back surgery that had me layed up for 2 months? I was maybe playing my 4th or 5th round of golf in a 16 month span??

again i never said better , but if you took 100 people and asked them to vote , some of them may not know a thing about golf at all , i might get a few votes just based on distance and distance alone

i am admitting i need 6 shots , and , i am willing to play you with 6 shots whenever you would like. i myself an stuck behind a computer 10 hrs a day at work and play 1x a week so i won't have my "A" game either

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

again i never said better , but if you took 100 people and asked them to vote , some of them may not know a thing about golf at all , i might get a few votes just based on distance and distance alone

So what you are saying is that Phil is more talented on the reasoning that a bunch of people who know nothing about golf might think he was based on a few shots?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

So what you are saying is that Phil is more talented on the reasoning that a bunch of people who know nothing about golf might think he was based on a few shots?

some people who are non-golfers may come to the conclusion that phil is more talented based on what the see on the course or on tv

i personally think phil has as much if not more talent than tiger

tiger has the abiltiy to hit all the shots under the biggest circumstances , today phil missed 2 putts on 15 and 17 that tiger never misses when he is tied for the lead or has the lead and NEEDS to make the putt - that is not talent , that is heart and all heart - he has the biggest heart in the majors when it counts , do you really think that if glover was tied with woods with 4 holes to play that woods would not have won?

you watch AM works scott , there are some horses that can do it in the AM as good if not better than some stakes horses and then they go across the street in the afternoon and they can't run a lick - why is that , the talent is there but maybe the heart is lacking when they get in the gate with 8 others?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I have to give props to both Ricky, and Duval. They both held it together much better than I thought they would. I thought Ricky would shoot about 81, or 82 in the 4th round. I thought Duval would shoot about a 75. Considering their results over the last 5-7 years,$559k is a lot of money for either of them to be making on this tour.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I have to give props to both Ricky, and Duval. They both held it together much better than I thought they would. I thought Ricky would shoot about 81, or 82 in the 4th round. I thought Duval would shoot about a 75. Considering their results over the last 5-7 years,$559k is a lot of money for either of them to be making on this tour.

no question - both played better than phil the last 4 holes!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

again i never said better , but if you took 100 people and asked them to vote , some of them may not know a thing about golf at all , i might get a few votes just based on distance and distance alone

i am admitting i need 6 shots , and , i am willing to play you with 6 shots whenever you would like. i myself an stuck behind a computer 10 hrs a day at work and play 1x a week so i won't have my "A" game either

Im not saying you ever said better. You just talked about being able to hit more shots and play more shots.

you think you can hit more and play more shots than me?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

Im not saying you ever said better. You just talked about being able to hit more shots and play more shots.

you think you can hit more and play more shots than me?

me personally no , you are a pro , but if you take 100 people off the side of the road some may be golfers some may not be golfers , and i hit shots and you hit shots -- will i really get no votes at all ,zero votes do you really believe that?

if you showed those same people results from tournaments , and you asked them to vote based on our results in those tournaments , there is no way i could ever get a vote , not 1 , not even a 1/2 a vote

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

me personally no , you are a pro , but if you take 100 people off the side of the road some may be golfers some may not be golfers , and i hit shots and you hit shots -- will i really get no votes at all ,zero votes do you really believe that?

if you showed those same people results from tournaments , and you asked them to vote based on our results in those tournaments , there is no way i could ever get a vote , not 1 , not even a 1/2 a vote

You would defenitely get some votes. I know a decent player when I see it. I know you are better than what your handicap says. But you made it sound like you had all these shots in your game that your are capable of that I am not.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

You would defenitely get some votes. I know a decent player when I see it. I know you are better than what your handicap says. But you made it sound like you had all these shots in your game that your are capable of that I am not.

if i came off that way i apoligize , my whole point was to try to explain to lori that talent is subjective - and with phil and tiger the talent is there with both of them , they both have won a lot of tournaments , but we have seen phil miss two putts today in the last 4 holes of a major that he should have won ..... i have never seen tiger miss a putt in a similar situation, i can't ever remember him having a miss with a lead in major with under 4 holes to go from 6 ft and in ..... and those shots/putts have nothing to do with talent ..... so once we watch these tournaments and base our opinions of talent on these tournaments , whether we like it or not our opinion on who is more talented is flawed

[Gander]

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Gander

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

I agree totally. Tiger had a great shot to put himself in the clubhouse at 2 or 3 under which would have totally changed the way those guys played down the stretch. And had he put himself in at 4 under he probably wins.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

listen tiger fans whether they like it or not still have to come to grips that he hasn't won a major when not leading after 3 rounds

that being said he is 14/14 when he has the lead after 3 rounds in a major and that is probably the greatest achievement in golf in and of itself .....they all have lost with leads after 3 rounds - jones, hogan ,snead , nelson, palmer , nicklaus, trevino , player - tiger has never lost 14/14 is simply remarkable

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

I dont think Tiger choked... he really doesnt have it in him to choke. But he putted horribly.. not just today but all week. Saturday I swear every hole he had a 8 to 25 ft birdie putt on every stinkin hole and he couldnt make a thing. It was strange...

The commentator (which annoys the hell out of me) made an interesting point, though it may have been 100% BS.. he said Tiger has a lot of trouble with slow greens and also when he has a speed down for the greens (in practice rounds) than the greens slow up (from all the rain), he has difficulty making adjustments (which was visible all week he was leaving putts short).