U.S. Open

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

we just saw phil miss 2 putts from 6 feet and in when he was tied for the lead in the final round of the us open

tiger never ever ever misses those putts when he is on the lead that is why he is #1 and phil is #2 - that is why he is the better player , but none of that has to do with talent, it all has to do with mental makeup of the individual

Making or missing that putt has nothing to do with talent. I maintain that OVERALL, Tiger is more talented than Phil. Phil has more talent with the wedges, but combining the entire package, Tiger is more talented that Phil.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

Making or missing that putt has nothing to do with talent. I maintain that OVERALL, Tiger is more talented than Phil. Phil has more talent with the wedges, but combining the entire package, Tiger is more talented that Phil.

talent is subjective

scuds' statement cannot be factually proved to be wrong

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

talent is subjective

scuds' statement cannot be factually proved to be wrong

Very true...its all opinion.

That putt Phil hit on 17 has to be one of the worst putts ever. He left it short from 4 feet.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

Very true...its all opinion.

That putt Phil hit on 17 has to be one of the worst putts ever. He left it short from 4 feet.

see we watch the tournaments and have our opinions formed based on watching tiger succeed and phil fail

i don't think anyone here has been with the 2 of them on the golf course with no spectators around , no cameras , around , just 2 guys out there hitting different shots from all over the place - until anyone of us is that lucky and can see it 1st hand it's still all very subjective and even after seeing it live it's still subjective - i have been lucky see phil at winged foot back in '92 , i have never been up close with tiger

part of sucds reasoning is probably based on the fact that he watches and see phils hit shots in events. kev you and i know tiger would never attempt some of these shots in an event as they carry to much risk for the reward. phil pulls these shots off and i am guessing that is why scuds made the statement. you can say scuds statement has a flaw to it , but, you can't factually prove it incorrect

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

see we watch the tournaments and have our opinions formed based on watching tiger succeed and phil fail

i don't think anyone here has been with the 2 of them on the golf course with no spectators around , no cameras , around , just 2 guys out there hitting different shots from all over the place - until anyone of us is that lucky and can see it 1st hand it's still all very subjective and even after seeing it live it's still subjective - i have been lucky see phil at winged foot back in '92 , i have never been up close with tiger

part of sucds reasoning is probably based on the fact that he watches and see phils hit shots in events. kev you and i know tiger would never attempt some of these shots in an event as they carry to much risk for the reward. phil pulls these shots off and i am guessing that is why scuds made the statement. you can say scuds statement has a flaw to it , but, you can't factually prove it incorrect

I would like to see/hear some examples. I've seen Phil take some seriously stupid risks that Tiger would not do, simply because Tiger is not that stupid. That is not grouds for saying Phil is more talented.

Like that risk Phil did at the Open when he was leading going into the final hole.. and stupidly hit a driver, which Tiger never would have done, again cause he's not that stupid.. and the ball went into the rough and Phil lost the tourney.

I feel like a moron throwing out cliche after cliche but Lefty = Andy Roddick & Tiger = Roger Federer.

I mean for real.. We've heard some dumb things on this board but Lefty being more talented than Tiger takes the cake.

Lets see, Tiger Woods: 14 Majors, 3 US Amatures, 67 wins on the tour. 33 years old

Lefty: 3 Majors, 1 US Amatures, 36 wins on the tour. 39 years old.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I would like to see/hear some examples. I've seen Phil take some seriously stupid risks that Tiger would not do, simply because Tiger is not that stupid. That is not grouds for saying Phil is more talented.

Like that risk Phil did at the Open when he was leading going into the final hole.. and stupidly hit a driver, which Tiger never would have done, again cause he's not that stupid.. and the ball went into the rough and Phil lost the tourney.

I feel like a moron throwing out cliche after cliche but Lefty = Andy Roddick & Tiger = Roger Federer.

I mean for real.. We've heard some dumb things on this board but Lefty being more talented than Tiger takes the cake.

Lets see, Tiger Woods: 14 Majors, 3 US Amatures, 67 wins on the tour. 33 years old

Lefty: 3 Majors, 1 US Amatures, 36 wins on the tour. 39 years old.

lori both palyers have talent , an abundance of it

to say 1 is more talented than the other is a subjective opinion - it can't be factually proven wrong either way

as for the better palyer - there is no question tiger is the better player - the results bore that out and the results become the fact

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

talent is subjective

scuds' statement cannot be factually proved to be wrong

I think Mine That Bird is more talented than Secretariat.

talent is subjective

my statement cannont be factually proven to be wrong.

[MaTH716]

Rootin for a double here for Glover in the worst way.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Rootin for a double here for Glover in the worst way.

thats just wrong.... anyone but ricky bobby barnes and i'm a happy camper

-bt-

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Rootin for a double here for Glover in the worst way.

its not right to root for people to choke! But then again when it comes to Mickelson you can just expect it to happen.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

its not right to root for people to choke! But then again when it comes to Mickelson you can just expect it to happen.

You have never wished/wanted a guy to clunk a foul shot? Isn't that the same thing? Not wishing harm on the guy, just want him to yip this last putt.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

You have never wished/wanted a guy to clunk a foul shot? Isn't that the same thing? Not wishing harm on the guy, just want him to yip this last putt.

guess you're right..

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think Mine That Bird is more talented than Secretariat.

talent is subjective

my statement cannont be factually proven to be wrong.

now you are getting into different analogies

[SCUDSBROTHER]

WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE LIKE TO WATCH PHIL SO MUCH? It's because he has the talent to do crazy stuff, and he's mentally too weak to draw off. Tiger is the better player, because that has to do with results. Phil's a freak show.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE LIKE TO WATCH PHIL SO MUCH? It's because he has the talent to do crazy stuff, and he's mentally too weak to draw off. Tiger is the better player, because that has to do with results. Phil's a freak show.

Scuds, it's not because he has the talent to do crazy stuff, it's because he has the stupidity (and guts) to try the crazy shots and that is why the average golfer likes him, because they like to try crazy stuff too. There are tons of guys on tour that can hit the same kind of crazy shots that Phil can, they just choose not to and play more conservatively.

How many of Phils peers on tour marvel at the way he hits the ball? I have never heard any of them say anything. How many times to you hear those same guys marvel at the way Tiger hits the ball? Quite a bit...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Kev, you can't be objective, cuz you despise LEFTY.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE LIKE TO WATCH PHIL SO MUCH? It's because he has the talent to do crazy stuff, and he's mentally too weak to draw off. Tiger is the better player, because that has to do with results. Phil's a freak show.

Sergio Garcia has an insane amount of shots in his bag. Is he more talented than Tiger now too?

For real Scuds, you cant actually believe this stuff, right??


Maybe they watch him cause he's a great golfer with a great personality? (much more fan friendly than Tiger it seems). Maybe they watch him because people like to root for the underdog? Maybe people watch him because it makes them feel better when they 3 putt #17 cause the 2nd best player in the world routinely 3 putts #17? He's a likeable guy (especially if ya like chokers). He's an amazing and talented golfer. He's not Tiger Woods when it comes to talent and mental toughness... There's only a handful of players with the talent/mental toughness that Tiger has, Hogan, Snead, Nicklaus... possibly Palmer though I'd put him slightly behind the top group.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Sergio Garcia has an insane amount of shots in his bag. Is he more talented than Tiger now too?

For real Scuds, you cant actually believe this stuff, right??


Maybe they watch him cause he's a great golfer with a great personality? (much more fan friendly than Tiger it seems). Maybe they watch him because people like to root for the underdog? Maybe people watch him because it makes them feel better when they 3 putt #17 cause the 2nd best player in the world routinely 3 putts #17? He's a likeable guy (especially if ya like chokers). He's an amazing and talented golfer. He's not Tiger Woods when it comes to talent and mental toughness... There's only a handful of players with the talent/mental toughness that Tiger has, Hogan, Snead, Nicklaus... possibly Palmer though I'd put him slightly behind the top group.

Woman, maybe you're on the rag cuz ya boy had nothing this week. I mean really, tell me who was more fun to watch? Tiger making almost nothing, or that freak on display? Tiger is not as fun to watch. He either is boring bad, or boring good. Last year's U.S. OPEN was the exception.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GPK

Making or missing that putt has nothing to do with talent. I maintain that OVERALL, Tiger is more talented than Phil. Phil has more talent with the wedges, but combining the entire package, Tiger is more talented that Phil.

I dont know about that when it comes to bunkers. Tiger is as good as it gets from the sand.. Maybe Lefty is equal on sand shots.


Remember last year before Woods took a half year off from golf... and according to the world rankings there was as much distance between the #1 golfer in the world (Woods) and the #2 golfer (Lefty) than #2 and like #1000.

Yeah, Lefty is more talented