The Great Republican Hope

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

all this time, it was made out that she said it was the first time she was proud-when in actuality, she wasn't saying that at all. it's the first time she's been 'really' proud. unless of course, the site i just checked out isn't bonafide and the tape has been altered...

Psst ... Al Gore never actually said, "I invented the internet", either!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Psst ... Al Gore never actually said, "I invented the internet", either!

OK lets recap

you RIOT former repubicaan said " "Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it"

and I said

and with that strong interest and understanding of Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter has come to the conclusion that the persecution of the Palestinians now,(by Isreal) under the occupying territories—under the occupation forces—is one of the worst examples of human rights deprivation that he knows. Worse than Rwanda.

GET IT cause this is GOLDEN

[dellinger63]

and better than internet or shucking corn

[dellinger63]

peppermints to all horses!!!!!!!!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

GET IT cause this is GOLDEN

Seriously, Dell, I have said, repeatedly, in the other thread, that just because I admire both men for their interest in and understanding of the middle east, it doesn't mean I agree with all their foreign policy positions, or that I think all their foreign policy positions are correct. This whole thing arose because of discussion regarding Obama and his familial Muslim ties through his estranged father, and the great acceptance of his Cairo speech in the Muslim world. Are you just unable to understand that subtlety?

And btw, Colin Powell isn't even close to being "a lefty" via any objective analysis - his patriotism not withstanding

Bill Maher (who I can barely stand) said something good on CNN, and darn if I don't agree with Bill Maher on this one (this from the CNN website):

"Part of the problem is that we don't really have a progressive party in this country. We have the Democrats, who are what the Republicans used to be when I was a kid. They are a pro-business party; a corporate friendly, pro-business party. And then we have the Republicans, which are just just a club for angry white people and Jesus freaks. I don't know what they are."

[That Obama is moving the country towards socialism] is "so ridiculous because Barack Obama is not a socialist, he's not even a liberal. That's the point I'm trying to make. This country needs a left-wing. It doesn't have it.
So really what we have is a debate between the center-right, the Democratic party, and the far, far, far right, the Republican party. "

I would add that the 30% or so of the GOP that left last November to vote for Obama would return to the GOP, gladly, if the GOP returned to what they used to be, what I've known my whole life.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Seriously, Dell, I have said, repeatedly, in the other thread, that just because I admire both men for their interest in and understanding of the middle east, it doesn't mean I agree with all their foreign policy positions, or that I think all their foreign policy positions are correct. This whole thing arose because of discussion regarding Obama and his familial Muslim ties through his estranged father, and the great acceptance of his Cairo speech in the Muslim world. Are you just unable to understand that subtlety?
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you admire a man who has a hitleresque view of Isreal. That has been my point all along...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

you admire a man who has a hitleresque view of Isreal. That has been my point all along...

Yet I don't support any alleged "hitleresque" (sic) view of Israel in the least. How about that?

Born-again George W. Bush elevated the simplistic view to an art. Good. Evil. No in between. That's what scares so many about Obama, I think. The complexity.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yet I don't support any alleged "hitleresque" (sic) view of Israel in the least. How about that?

Born-again George W. Bush elevated the simplistic view to an art. Good. Evil. No in between. That's what scares so many about Obama, I think. The complexity.

Thank You!!!!
That's all I wanted all along....

and for me it's not the complexity that scares me it's the complacency that scares me, ie N Korea say they're going to fire a missle towards Hawaii and us 'hoping' it will be short.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yet I don't support any alleged "hitleresque" (sic) view of Israel in the least. How about that?

Born-again George W. Bush elevated the simplistic view to an art. Good. Evil. No in between. That's what scares so many about Obama, I think. The complexity.

What does George Bush have to do with Jimmy Carter? Carters views on Isreal and a Palestine state are hardly complex. He has identified the good and evil in his mind.

Yeah Obama's complexity is scary. Where do you get this stuff???

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Bill Maher (who I can barely stand) said something good on CNN, and darn if I don't agree with Bill Maher on this one (this from the CNN website):

And then we have the Republicans, which are just just a club for angry white people and Jesus freaks. I don't know what they are."

.

since you agree with this I'm interested in how Colin Powell fits?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Bill Maher (who I can barely stand) said something good on CNN, and darn if I don't agree with Bill Maher on this one (this from the CNN website):

"Part of the problem is that we don't really have a progressive party in this country. We have the Democrats, who are what the Republicans used to be when I was a kid. They are a pro-business party; a corporate friendly, pro-business party.

I would add that the 30% or so of the GOP that left last November to vote for Obama would return to the GOP, gladly, if the GOP returned to what they used to be, what I've known my whole life.

You agree that the Democrats are a corporate friendly, pro business party? Wow.

If 30% of the GOP voted for Obama why did he only get 53% of the popular vote? Those numbers dont add up.

[Danzig]

no way i'd call the dems a pro-business corporate friendly party. i'm not sure where maher is getting that from at all.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You agree that the Democrats are a corporate friendly, pro business party? Wow.

If 30% of the GOP voted for Obama why did he only get 53% of the popular vote? Those numbers dont add up.

You realize that 30% of the GOP isn't equal to 30% of all voters?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Riot

You realize that 30% of the GOP isn't equal to 30% of all voters?

Obama got 9% of the Republican vote.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Obama got 9% of the Republican vote.

Whose numbers are you using? I tried to find my Rasmussen report from then (not a member) which is where I thought I got that figure (remember it from), but apparently didn't save it. All I can find searching now is that he got about 3 mil votes from GOP.

If only 9%, that means there weren't many people calling themselves Republicans last November!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You realize that 30% of the GOP isn't equal to 30% of all voters?

You realize that throwing numbers out there that not only arent valid but arent mathmatically valid weakens your take on things? Surely if 1/3 of the GOP voted for Obama he would have had a far greater margin of victory unless an unusually high % of Democrats voted against him (which didnt happen)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You realize that throwing numbers out there that not only arent valid but arent mathmatically valid weakens your take on things? Surely if 1/3 of the GOP voted for Obama he would have had a far greater margin of victory unless an unusually high % of Democrats voted against him (which didnt happen)

You obviously know my numbers are wrong, so you must have different ones, so post yours.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You realize that 30% of the GOP isn't equal to 30% of all voters?

I guess it's equal to 9%? So the GOP accounts for just under 30% of all voters? Who were all the Dems who voted for McCain/Palin then?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Psst ... Al Gore never actually said, "I invented the internet", either!

I believe Gore's exact quote was, "I took the initiative in inventing the internet."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I believe Gore's exact quote was, "I took the initiative in inventing the internet."

Thanks

Now I had to know the whole story, so I went and looked it up, yes, just another perpetuated false rumor (because it sounds so good), he was talking about internet technology initiatives, not "literally inventing" the internet. The entire long quote, and context, is here:

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp