Obama love

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't care to get into a discussion regarding Isreal. That has nothing to do with what I posted originally about either Obama or Carter.

I categorize several US foreign statesmen as brilliant with a deep, obvious and/or exceptional understanding of particular countries, the local and locally international politics, their leaders, the personalities involved, and areas of foreign policy.

That doesn't mean I agree with all their foreign policy decisions, no, not at all.

Spoken in perfect Bill Clinton language. And it was a simple yes/no answer not meant to be a discussion.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Spoken in perfect Bill Clinton language. And it was a simple yes/no answer not meant to be a discussion.

Dell: I think Obamas' Cairo speech was terrific, well-received, showed a knowledge of the region, and moved the US back up in the eyes of the international stage.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Dell: I think Obamas' Cairo speech was terrific, well-received, showed a knowledge of the region, and moved the US back up in the eyes of the international stage.

Boy, that answers my Carter question perfectly.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Boy, that answers my Carter question perfectly.

Yes, I don't want to buy into the distraction of pulling off onto another topic.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, I don't want to buy into the distraction of pulling off onto another topic.

You were the one who brought up Carter. As a person who gets it and when I try to point out what actually he 'gets' you want to consider it another topic. If you're comparing Obama's foreign policy finesse to Carter I think the beliefs Carter 'spewed' during that interview are very relative, scary and dangerous.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You were the one who brought up Carter. As a person who gets it and when I try to point out what actually he 'gets' you want to consider it another topic. If you're comparing Obama's foreign policy finesse to Carter I think the beliefs Carter 'spewed' during that interview are very relative, scary and dangerous.

Yes, I brought up Carter, and in the original post I said why, and above I repeated why (twice) and it has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

No, I'm obviously not comparing Obama's foreign policy finesse to Carter. No, I'm not talking about Carter's beliefs.

You go right ahead

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, I brought up Carter, and in the original post I said why, and above I repeated why (twice) and it has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

You said and I quote ""Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it"

I then pointed out what Carter 'gets' as you would say and I quoted his interview on hardball,

"CARTER: So the persecution of the Palestinians now, under the occupying territories—under the occupation forces—is one of the worst examples of human rights deprivation that I know. And I think it‘s—

SHUSTER: Even worse, though, than a place like Rwanda?

CARTER: Yes. I think—yes. You mean, now?

SHUSTER: Yes.

CARTER: Yes.

SHUSTER: The oppression now of the Israelis—of the Palestinians by the Israelis is worse than the situation in Africa like the oppression of Rwanda and the civil war?

CARTER: I‘m not going back into ancient history about Rwanda, but right now, the persecution of the Palestinians is one of the worst examples of human rights abuse I know, because the Palestinians—

SHUSTER: You‘re talking about right now, you‘re not talking about say, a few years ago.

CARTER: I‘m not talking about ancient history, no.

SHUSTER: Rwanda wasn‘t ancient history; it was just a few years ago.

CARTER: You can talk about Rwanda if you want to. I want to talk

about Palestine. What is being done to the Palestinians now is horrendous

in their own territory, by the occupying powers, which is Israel."

See how it fits together now? I'm not talking about what you may perceive or hope Carter's view on Isreal is or was after reading his books. I'm repeating what Carter said his view was and simply asking whether you agree?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Boy, that answers my Carter question perfectly.

The worst President in American history was back in the news today (how many libs are gonna respond, BusH? )

So he thinks Hamas is the good guys! How the hell did this guy ever get elected? I'm so glad I was not alive when this moron was President. Werent interest rates and inflation incredibly high when he was the Pres also? Again, how was he elected?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...za-discovered/

"Meanwhile, a Palestinian source told FOX News that the group had discovered two roadside bombs planted near a crossing between Israel and Gaza on a path Carter's convoy took to meet with the group's leaders.

According to the source, the bombs were intended to hit Carter's vehicle as he exited Gaza. There is some suspicion that Hamas extremists linked to Al Qaeda may be behind the attempt."

So the Hamas tries to kill him... but some other Hamas guys stopped it... and he thinks they arent terrorists? This guy is insane.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

The worst President in American history was back in the news today (how many libs are gonna respond, BusH? )

So he thinks Hamas is the good guys! How the hell did this guy ever get elected? I'm so glad I was not alive when this moron was President. Werent interest rates and inflation incredibly high when he was the Pres also? Again, how was he elected?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...za-discovered/

"Meanwhile, a Palestinian source told FOX News that the group had discovered two roadside bombs planted near a crossing between Israel and Gaza on a path Carter's convoy took to meet with the group's leaders.

According to the source, the bombs were intended to hit Carter's vehicle as he exited Gaza. There is some suspicion that Hamas extremists linked to Al Qaeda may be behind the attempt."

So the Hamas tries to kill him... but some other Hamas guys stopped it... and he thinks they arent terrorists? This guy is insane.

Look at who proceeded him...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Look at who proceeded him...

Nixon was just before his time...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

The worst President in American history was back in the news today (how many libs are gonna respond, BusH? )

So he thinks Hamas is the good guys! How the hell did this guy ever get elected? I'm so glad I was not alive when this moron was President. Werent interest rates and inflation incredibly high when he was the Pres also? Again, how was he elected?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...za-discovered/

"Meanwhile, a Palestinian source told FOX News that the group had discovered two roadside bombs planted near a crossing between Israel and Gaza on a path Carter's convoy took to meet with the group's leaders.

According to the source, the bombs were intended to hit Carter's vehicle as he exited Gaza. There is some suspicion that Hamas extremists linked to Al Qaeda may be behind the attempt."

So the Hamas tries to kill him... but some other Hamas guys stopped it... and he thinks they arent terrorists? This guy is insane.

he got elected because it was either him or gerald ford.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Dell: I think Obamas' Cairo speech was terrific, well-received, showed a knowledge of the region, and moved the US back up in the eyes of the international stage.

So the Chinese and Russians and British and Italians and greeks and Indians and canadians and mexicans and Brazilians and Japanese and Dutch and Polish and Germans and other non muslim countries were all so impressed with Obama's speech they have moved us up the the World BCS rankings?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So the Chinese and Russians and British and Italians and greeks and Indians and canadians and mexicans and Brazilians and Japanese and Dutch and Polish and Germans and other non muslim countries were all so impressed with Obama's speech they have moved us up the the World BCS rankings?

Yes

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Yes

Actually it is no but even if it is was yes what tangible difference will it make for the US?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually it is no but even if it is was yes what tangible difference will it make for the US?

Well..I think it is yes, and your version of tangible and mine may be different, but we'll see how the next few years play out and then talk

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Well..I think it is yes, and your version of tangible and mine may be different, but we'll see how the next few years play out and then talk

Hell as long as we are aligned with israel even the Arabs which he smothered with love will still hate us. The funny thing is that even though all these other countries supposedly hated Bush what did they not do for us that they suddenly will now?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually it is no but even if it is was yes what tangible difference will it make for the US?

To quote someone else, "How do you know what these people know?"

[Rupert Pupkin]

Some of Carter's statements with regard to Israel and the Palestinians are truly unbelievable. His statements are outright shocking. I don't know how anybody who has any understanding of the situation over there could make such statments. Carter is either a fool or he is just a guy who hates Israel.

Israel has had no choice but to take the measures they have taken. Otherwise they would be facing suicide bombings every day. The measures they have taken have been pretty successful in terms of stopping suicide bombers. Their main security concern now is stopping all the rockets from being fired into Israel.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Some of Carter's statements with regard to Israel and the Palestinians are truly unbelievable. His statements are outright shocking. I don't know how anybody who has any understanding of the situation over there could make such statments. Carter is either a fool or he is just a guy who hates Israel.

Israel has had no choice but to take the measures they have taken. Otherwise they would be facing suicide bombings every day. The measures they have taken have been pretty successful in terms of stopping suicide bombers. Their main security concern now is stopping all the rockets from being fired into Israel.

Now imagine someone who admires him for his foreign policy and furthermore equates him with Obama as if it's a good thing...

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Now imagine someone who admires him for his foreign policy and furthermore equates him with Obama as if it's a good thing...

Well...go find a quote from some google.com who justifies your statement. I love all the sh*t I get for bringing up Bush as a reference, but Jimmy Carter is all of a sudden relevant?