Obama love

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The NYT and NPR are the voices of dissent? You are delusional.

Where did I say they were the voices of dissent?

Of course they are not your beloved FOX news.
But take a look at the articles and listen.
They present some very good articles/guests that
present highly critical views with coherent explainations.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Where did I say they were the voices of dissent?

Of course they are not your beloved FOX news.
But take a look at the articles and listen.
They present some very good articles/guests that
present highly critical views with coherent explainations.

THis is just not true and you have proven it.
There are plenty of articles questioning the stimulus
package, health care, you name it. I know you have
read them. Even the great devil, the NY Times, "prints"
them.

NPR has a guest almost everyday the past week
voicing concern, and pointing out details of why
the stimulus plan will not work.

Uh here? The press has been overwhelmingly supportive of Obama despite obvious occasions that they would have jumped all over had someone else been in charge. Why anyone disputes this especially with the results of the recent Pew study on the subject is beyond me. And the Fox news thing is so overdone that it is just stupid. Is that the only thing that you can fire back at a Conservative? It is telling that people are unwilling to examine the issues without resorting to the same old tired crap.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The press has been overwhelmingly supportive of Obama

As any new president is and more so because he is black.
Or he says he is black. But overwhelming supportive of his
economic policies... no frggn way. The press is interviewing
numerous economists and bankers etc... that are all pointing
out what they think to be huge flaws. Almost everyday.

And its easy because Obama is moving at lightning speed.
Car companies, banks, carbon emission standards, so much
is taking place... its all over. Including criticism.

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

As any new president is and more so because he is black.
Or he says he is black. But overwhelming supportive of his
economic policies... no frggn way. The press is interviewing
numerous economists and bankers etc... that are all pointing
out what they think to be huge flaws. Almost everyday.

And its easy because Obama is moving at lightning speed.
Car companies, banks, carbon emission standards, so much
is taking place... its all over. Including criticism.

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.

http://www.journalism.org/analysis_r...first_100_days

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.journalism.org/analysis_r...first_100_days

They are not counting the stories on Geithner, Summers, Orszag, Romer, Bernake... these are his men/women. Their ideas go through him. You dont think there has been any cricticism of these folks. Look em up.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by pgardn

They are not counting the stories on Geithner, Summers, Orszag, Romer, Bernake... these are his men/women. Their ideas go through him. You dont think there has been any cricticism of these folks. Look em up.

Because when the right criticizes them the immediate response from the left is "show me where he said that." Doesn't count if not directly quoted by Obama ie even GOP Riot.

But on the other side Bush was responsible for everything and anyone that happened during his administration.

Meanwhile Carter thinks the Israeli treatment of Palestine is worse than Rawanda? Maybe he mispoke? LOL

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Because when the right criticizes them the immediate response from the left is "show me where he said that." Doesn't count if not directly quoted by Obama ie even GOP Riot.

Fact and opinion are not equal and the same, nor blindly interchangable.

If I say "The earth is flat", you have every right to challenge that assertion and ask me to post some empirical evidence that the earth is flat. Or you can post evidence that shows the earth is not flat.

However, posting another person's web blog, where that person says, "I think the earth is flat, too!" is not evidence that the earth is flat.

Try reading the other thread about "intellectual honesty" in discourse and debate.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Because when the right criticizes them the immediate response from the left is "show me where he said that." Doesn't count if not directly quoted by Obama ie even GOP Riot.

But on the other side Bush was responsible for everything and anyone that happened during his administration.

Meanwhile Carter thinks the Israeli treatment of Palestine is worse than Rawanda? Maybe he mispoke? LOL

Rumsfeld and Cheney took tons of heat.
Maybe more than Bush. Bush was portrayed
as being led along by these guys. And the God
of the markets, Alan Greenspan, has admitted he
misjudged the market's ability to handle itself.

Carter has always had a problem with Israel.
I think Jimmy Carter has very good intentions
on most domestic issues. His getting involved with
habitat for humanity was essential in keeping a
non-governmental charity moving along helping people
obtain homes while careful scrutinizing for their ability to pay.

I just disagree with him on some foreign policy.

Look at what Carter did directly after his presidency
compared to what Reagan did. It tells you a little bit
about both men.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So the Iran hostage situation wasnt a big deal? Did he not "get" Iran? C'mon tell me with a straight face that the rise of the mullahs in Iran hasnt been the single most destabilizing force in the region.

Geeshus. Are you guys for real?

What I said, was: Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world.

If you insist upon arguing, argue against what I said. Don't change the subject to something else.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

What I said, was: Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world.

If you insist upon arguing, argue against what I said. Don't change the subject to something else.

This is the most ridiculous post yet. How do you know what these people know? Because obama is a muslim he is well versed in Middle eastern tribal disputes? On Carter's watch radical Islam came to power in the Middle East. This is so stupid that I cant even believe that you wrote it. So Obama and Carter are smarter than everyone else when it comes to the Middle East? What exactly has Obama done except give a speech that the majority of which was most likely written by someone else? He can quote the "Holy"Koran. Big deal. Lets see how well he fixes all the issues over there especially when Israel bombs the **** out of Iran.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is the most ridiculous post yet. How do you know what these people know? Because obama is a muslim he is well versed in Middle eastern tribal disputes? On Carter's watch radical Islam came to power in the Middle East. This is so stupid that I cant even believe that you wrote it. So Obama and Carter are smarter than everyone else when it comes to the Middle East? What exactly has Obama done except give a speech that the majority of which was most likely written by someone else? He can quote the "Holy"Koran. Big deal. Lets see how well he fixes all the issues over there especially when Israel bombs the **** out of Iran.

And I find your answer stupidly moronic, narrow minded, fear-based, missing the point, and falling to the embarassing last resort of child-like personal insult just because someone holds an opinion different than you do.

I read and heard Obama's Cairo speech, I have paid attention to his previous comments and writings on the middle east over the past 2-3 years, and I am going by what he has said and demonstrated regarding his understanding of the middle east since he's been in the public eye.

I have read most of Carter's books and watched what happened when he was President (and no, I don't agree with everything that happened on his watch). But I sure as hell respect both these men's exceptional knowledge of the middle east.

That's how I have formed my opinion of "what these people know"

It doesn't agree with your opinion? Too bad. Get over it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

And I find your answer stupidly moronic, narrow minded, fear-based, missing the point, and falling to the embarassing last resort of child-like personal insult just because someone holds an opinion different than you do.

I read and heard Obama's Cairo speech, I have paid attention to his previous comments and writings on the middle east over the past 2-3 years, and I am going by what he has said and demonstrated regarding his understanding of the middle east since he's been in the public eye.

I have read most of Carter's books and watched what happened when he was President (and no, I don't agree with everything that happened on his watch). But I sure as hell respect both these men's exceptional knowledge of the middle east.

That's how I have formed my opinion of "what these people know"

It doesn't agree with your opinion? Too bad. Get over it.

I was wrong. This post is the most ridiculous.

Originally Posted by pgardn

As any new president is and more so because he is black.
Or he says he is black. But overwhelming supportive of his
economic policies... no frggn way. The press is interviewing
numerous economists and bankers etc... that are all pointing
out what they think to be huge flaws. Almost everyday.

And its easy because Obama is moving at lightning speed.
Car companies, banks, carbon emission standards, so much
is taking place... its all over. Including criticism.

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.

A substantial majority of Americans say President Obama has not developed a strategy to deal with the budget deficit, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, which also found that support for his plans to overhaul health care, rescue the auto industry and close the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, falls well below his job approval ratings.
The poll found a distinct gulf between Mr. Obama’s overall standing and how some of his key initiatives are viewed, with fewer than half of Americans saying they approve of how he has handled health care and the effort to save General Motors and Chrysler. A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.

For conservatives who think Obama is getting a free ride on his policies.
Might not take the above seriously as it is from the flawed NY Times.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

A substantial majority of Americans say President Obama has not developed a strategy to deal with the budget deficit, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, which also found that support for his plans to overhaul health care, rescue the auto industry and close the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, falls well below his job approval ratings.
The poll found a distinct gulf between Mr. Obama’s overall standing and how some of his key initiatives are viewed, with fewer than half of Americans saying they approve of how he has handled health care and the effort to save General Motors and Chrysler. A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.

For conservatives who think Obama is getting a free ride on his policies.
Might not take the above seriously as it is from the flawed NY Times.

It is poll. The times cant get extra credit for simply reporting the results of its own poll. I'm sure there was a corresponding op-ed piece stating how flawed the polls results were by blaming Bush, Rush or Palin.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is poll. The times cant get extra credit for simply reporting the results of its own poll. I'm sure there was a corresponding op-ed piece stating how flawed the polls results were by blaming Bush, Rush or Palin.

yes it is so it is very hard to make odd opinions as they
so obviously do with their agenda. The few comments they make on
the results of the poll are not exactly flaming liberal comments:

A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.



Are you not shocked they even published it?
And on the front page...

I will again copy what I wrote:

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

yes it is so it is very hard to make odd opinions as they
so obviously do with their agenda. The few comments they make on
the results of the poll are not exactly flaming liberal comments:

A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.



Are you not shocked they even published it?
And on the front page...

I will again copy what I wrote:

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.

The poll shows that the average Joe isnt ok with the agenda, despite the generally slanted media coverage