There's no stars in racing? Is that right?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Basically, the older male division was Adriana Lima, Gisele Bundchen, Karolina Kurkova, Heidy Klum etc. The 2yo male division was some pretty girl hanging out at Camp Fat.

I'm curious. That hot one legged chick you scored with from the 24 hour supermarket, is she in the former group of females, or is she hanging out at Camp Fat too?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I'm curious. That hot one legged chick you scored with from the 24 hour supermarket, is she in the former group of females, or is she hanging out at Camp Fat too?

By scored I assume you mean she rang up my frozen pizza and donuts?

[slotdirt]

Al Kaline or Roberto Clemente - depending on one's personal opinion - are still considered the two greatest right fielders of all-time. So in that regard, I would suggest both of those guys are much more highly regarded in their respective positions than is Jeter as a shortstop. Jeter's been a downright defensive liabilty - with all due respect - compared to the average major league shortstop for the vast majority of his career.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Al Kaline or Roberto Clemente - depending on one's personal opinion - are still considered the two greatest right fielders of all-time. So in that regard, I would suggest both of those guys are much more highly regarded in their respective positions than is Jeter as a shortstop. Jeter's been a downright defensive liabilty - with all due respect - compared to the average major league shortstop for the vast majority of his career.

Seriously? Jeter is arguably the third or 4th best SS ever. Outside of Honus Wagner, ARod, Ernie Banks and maybe Robin Yount (who played 1/2 his career in CF) who is better? Jeter's defense has slipped but the majority of his career was fine.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously? Jeter is arguably the third or 4th best SS ever. Outside of Honus Wagner, ARod, Ernie Banks and maybe Robin Yount (who played 1/2 his career in CF) who is better? Jeter's defense has slipped but the majority of his career was fine.

Ozzie Smith was a better gymnast.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously? Jeter is arguably the third or 4th best SS ever. Outside of Honus Wagner, ARod, Ernie Banks and maybe Robin Yount (who played 1/2 his career in CF) who is better? Jeter's defense has slipped but the majority of his career was fine.

Including the players you listed, a case could be made for at least these guys over Jeter;

Barry Larkin
Luke Appling
Cal Ripken
Arky Vaughan

A case (at least a weak one) could even be made for Alan Trammell, but I would still put Jeter in front of Trammell.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ARyan

Out the ones you believe are better, a case could be made for at least these guys over Jeter;

Barry Larkin
Luke Appling
Cal Ripken
Arky Vaughan

A case could even be made for Alan Trammell, considering how clutch he was in the playoffs, and his solid career stats, but I would still put Jeter in front of Trammell.

Tramell isnt that close, Larkin wasnt as good of a hitter and not nearly as durable, Appling wasnt as good statwise especially if you take out 1936 which was so far out of character for him that surely there were people calling him a roid freak even if roids hadnt been invented yet. Maybe Vaughan but he had a short run. Ripken is valid

[Bobby Fischer]

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously? Jeter is arguably the third or 4th best SS ever. Outside of Honus Wagner, ARod, Ernie Banks and maybe Robin Yount (who played 1/2 his career in CF) who is better? Jeter's defense has slipped but the majority of his career was fine.

Interesting I never was a huge fan of Jeter's, granted he was very good but playing in N.Y I thought he got alot of press. In my time prior to the explosion of steroids, I thought Cal Ripkin was the best SS I have ever seen, all people seem to remember was his games streak and he more or less looked like a 3rd baseman playing short, but he had a great glove and natural power for a guy that played short. Plus you could always count on 162 games a year from Cal.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

Interesting I never was a huge fan of Jeter's, granted he was very good but playing in N.Y I thought he got alot of press. In my time prior to the explosion of steroids, I thought Cal Ripkin was the best SS I have ever seen, all people seem to remember was his games streak and he more or less looked like a 3rd baseman playing short, but he had a great glove and natural power for a guy that played short. Plus you could always count on 162 games a year from Cal.

You are correct, Ripken should have been in there

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are correct, Ripken should have been in there

Interesting thought who was the best 2nd Baseman in history? This one should generate alot of names.

For me Roberto Alomar would be right there on the shortlist.

[King Glorious]

All I can say is that when the NFL went on strike some years ago and they played a few games with replacement players, I watched but I didn't pretend that the players were anywhere near the level of the NFL guys. I wasn't going to sit there and appreciate them for what they were, accept that they were as good as we had at the moment, and be happy with it. We want to see the best. Simple as that. You can't argue in one breath that we can't compare the horses of today to the horses of yesteryear because they aren't as good as they used to be and we should just embrace what we have......then in the next breath argue that we shouldn't change the TC because it should be as it always has been and we shouldn't accept a watered down champion. Which way do you want it? If you are acknowledging that the good horses of today aren't as good as they used to be, why are you so intent on continuing to ask them to do the same things as those before? If you are going to hold the Big Brown's and Mine that Bird's to the same standards as the Secretariat's and Affirmed's, then how can you fault us for holding the champions of today to the same standards as the champions of the past? People argue that you can't change the TC because of tradition but then you are telling us to forget the past and accept them for what they are today.

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

All I can say is that when the NFL went on strike some years ago and they played a few games with replacement players, I watched but I didn't pretend that the players were anywhere near the level of the NFL guys. I wasn't going to sit there and appreciate them for what they were, accept that they were as good as we had at the moment, and be happy with it. We want to see the best. Simple as that. You can't argue in one breath that we can't compare the horses of today to the horses of yesteryear because they aren't as good as they used to be and we should just embrace what we have......then in the next breath argue that we shouldn't change the TC because it should be as it always has been and we shouldn't accept a watered down champion. Which way do you want it? If you are acknowledging that the good horses of today aren't as good as they used to be, why are you so intent on continuing to ask them to do the same things as those before? If you are going to hold the Big Brown's and Mine that Bird's to the same standards as the Secretariat's and Affirmed's, then how can you fault us for holding the champions of today to the same standards as the champions of the past? People argue that you can't change the TC because of tradition but then you are telling us to forget the past and accept them for what they are today.

I hope the NFL goes on strike again. Maybe the Skins can win another Superbowl.