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[MaTH716]

Hughes should go into the rotation and Joba should go to the pen. I really don't know why they are so dead set on starting Joba. They have a hole in the bridge to Mariano. If Joba's the 8th inning guy, he probably starts the 8th last night. Girardi has no confidence in anyone besides Mariano out there. Put it this way, if they were to lose Mariano for the rest of the year, you would have to be crazy to think that Joba wouldn't be closing games the next day.

As far as the cluchness of ceratin players, I'm done arguing about it now. We will see down the stretch who's worth the dough they get (for the record I think that they are all grossly overpaid, it's a damn game for cryin out loud!). But in my opinion the pitching has been and still is the biggest problem.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Hughes should go into the rotation and Joba should go to the pen. I really don't know why they are so dead set on starting Joba. They have a hole in the bridge to Mariano. If Joba's the 8th inning guy, he probably starts the 8th last night. Girardi has no confidence in anyone besides Mariano out there. Put it this way, if they were to lose Mariano for the rest of the year, you would have to be crazy to think that Joba would be closing games the next day.

As far as the cluchness of ceratin players, I'm done arguing about it now. We will see down the stretch who's worth the dough they get (for the record I think that they are all grossly overpaid, it's a damn game for cryin out loud!). But in my opinion the pitching has been and still is the biggest problem.

I completely agree. When CC was lifted last night it was the perfect time for Joba (if available) and Aceves had no business being in that situation.

NT

[2 Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I completely agree. When CC was lifted last night it was the perfect time for Joba (if available) and Aceves had no business being in that situation.

NT

The trouble is the GM.. belives that J.C. is a STARTING picture... and untill he changes his thoughts... we will be a starting picture...... All this talk about your third baseman & first baseman..... Big Papi...did hit two HR's in the three games.. Go Sox's !

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill

The trouble is the GM.. belives that J.C. is a STARTING picture... and untill he changes his thoughts... we will be a starting picture...... All this talk about your third baseman & first baseman..... Big Papi...did hit two HR's in the three games.. Go Sox's !

no he is told what to do - hank and hal steinbrenner , more hank , sent the word down that he should be a starter....you would play along too for the $5mm per yr he makes

[MaTH716]

Over 70 pitches through 3 innings. Mets scored 2 in the 2nd on 3 walks and 2 HBP, not a hit. Not only is Joba hurting the pen by not being out there, now they are probably have to pick him up for about 6 innings.
It's not like he's Steve Carlton, they should put him back in the pen immediatley.

[gales0678]

[quote=MaTH716]Hughes should go into the rotation and Joba should go to the pen. I really don't know why they are so dead set on starting Joba. They have a hole in the bridge to Mariano. If Joba's the 8th inning guy, he probably starts the 8th last night. Girardi has no confidence in anyone besides Mariano out there. Put it this way, if they were to lose Mariano for the rest of the year, you would have to be crazy to think that Joba would be closing games the next day.

As far as the cluchness of ceratin players, I'm done arguing about it now. We will see down the stretch who's worth the dough they get (for the record I think that they are all grossly overpaid, it's a damn game for cryin out loud!). But in my opinion the pitching has been and still is the biggest problem.[/QUOTE]

i tend to agree with you on that , but, last night's game - although only 1 out of 162 games had extra meaning - the yanks were playing to get back in 1st place , they were playing to WIN a game against a team that they haven't beaten all year and now won't see for 2 months---they might go on a tear here and take back the division , but , when aug/spet rolls around we will be back in this circus about the 0-8 against boston .... not something joe or the players want to have to deal with , but they are going to have to deal with it.
against the #5 starter on boston we didn't do much offensivly - we should be able to knock him out of the game , we should score more runs agianst this pig , we can clearly see the bullpen failures , i see the lack of run production against a bum , anyway you cut this one it's not good the #5 starter for boston started a game that his team won over the #1 starter on our team - this is not supposed to happen when there are 2 $20mm players batting 3 and 4th and they go a combined 1/8 last night- neither one of these $20+mm players got a hit off this pig Penny

[mark2061mn]

No offense but you are absolutely clueless. I'm done.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by mark2061mn

No offense but you are absolutely clueless. I'm done.

where was it in game 1 against Beckett?

game 2 - it was there in spots

game 3 - tell me penny is supposed to go 6 and only give up 1 run , you tell me that is what the offense is supposed to do against this bum and i will go away - 1 run against brad f*en penny

[dalakhani]

I wonder if there is a stat out there that shows production relative to pitching quality for a hitter.

There have been plenty of hitters that have great year end stats but i always wonder if they get their stats against the 3,4,5 pitchers vs. the 1,2. Does that make any sense?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I wonder if there is a stat out there that shows production relative to pitching quality for a hitter.

There have been plenty of hitters that have great year end stats but i always wonder if they get their stats against the 3,4,5 pitchers vs. the 1,2. Does that make any sense?

you know there are 30 teams now in baseball , but, there are not 150 quality pitchers in the majors --- this will tend to lead to stat inflation in my opinion as the lambs get sent out every 4th and 5th day

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

you know there are 30 teams now in baseball , but, there are not 150 quality pitchers in the majors --- this will tend to lead to stat inflation in my opinion as the lambs get sent out every 4th and 5th day

Not to mention the 2nd rate middle relief pitchers that now pitch 40% of the innings

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I wonder if there is a stat out there that shows production relative to pitching quality for a hitter.

There have been plenty of hitters that have great year end stats but i always wonder if they get their stats against the 3,4,5 pitchers vs. the 1,2. Does that make any sense?

It does make sense but would be really hard to figure. i would assume that virtually every player hits the lesser pitchers better than the better ones. But wins against lesser pitchers count the same as the better ones.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I completely agree. When CC was lifted last night it was the perfect time for Joba (if available) and Aceves had no business being in that situation.

NT

Aceves, has actually been good out there. Girardi probably has the most faith in him (obviously behind Mariano). Last night he left a lefty (Coke) in against a few righties because he had no faith that Veras could throw strikes with the bags full.

Originally Posted by gales0678

where was it in game 1 against Beckett?

game 2 - it was there in spots

game 3 - tell me penny is supposed to go 6 and only give up 1 run , you tell me that is what the offense is supposed to do against this bum and i will go away - 1 run against brad f*en penny

I don't think any team in the league would have sniffed Beckett. He's been lights out at times this season and Tuesday was one of those nights.

Wang put them in a early hole. They got themselves back in the game and came up a bit short.

They had the lead going into the 8th, what else do you want. Reguardless of whom is pitching for the other team, it's still major leaguers. So to automatically think that you are going to hang a 12 spot on the other team because it's the 5th starter or you percieve the guy to sucking is just an illusion. Look how well Tim Redding pitched for the Mets last night. On any given night a pitcher could be on. The Yanks just let it get away last night, plus the Sox proabably deserve so credit too.

Last and not least, I know they make the most, but when do other players become accountable? It can't always be on Tex and A-rod who gave them the lead last night.

[gales0678]

[quote=MaTH716]Aceves, has actually been good out there. Girardi probably has the most faith in him (obviously behind Mariano). Last night he left a lefty (Coke) in against a few righties because he had no faith that Veras could throw strikes with the bags full.



I don't think any team in the league would have sniffed Beckett. He's been lights out at times this season and Tuesday was one of those nights.

Wang put them in a early hole. They got themselves back in the game and came up a bit short.

They had the lead going into the 8th, what else do you want. Reguardless of whom is pitching for the other team, it's still major leaguers. So to automatically think that you are going to hang a 12 spot on the other team because it's the 5th starter or you percieve the guy to sucking is just an illusion. Look how well Tim Redding pitched for the Mets last night. On any given night a pitcher could be on. The Yanks just let it get away last night, plus the Sox proabably deserve so credit too.

Last and not least, I know they make the most, but when do other players become accountable? It can't always be on Tex and A-rod who gave them the lead last night.[/QUOTE]

they are all accoutable as far as i'm concerned when they can't hit Brad Penny , it just the way it is in NY , if you are going to take the big $$$ , the spotlight is going to fall on you , it ain't falling onto Brett gardiner ....fair or not , those are the rules when you sign the $20mm contracts - simply inexcusible last night to not hit that "pig" in the 1st 6 innings from batter 1-9!

[MaTH716]

Come on Gales, who's talking about Gardner. But most of them are making alot of scratch, including Captain America.
I've had enough of this for today. I have to start looking at Hollywood for tonight and Photoshop a few more pictures of Scavs. Very Very busy around here.