The Dedgradation of the American Dialogue

[gales0678]

chuck i 'll tell you it's bad , i asked my aunt who has transformed herself into a liberal what happened to al queda after 9/11 - i asked her did they go into retirement or was it something that GWB did to slow them down / prevent future attacks ... her answer (probably derived from some ny times story ) was that it had nothing to do with bush going after them , they weren't in retirement either , they just out of the goodness of there heart decided to suspend operations against the US because the saudi king warned them he would take away osma's $$$ from the oil rigs in Saudi Arabia that he collects

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

chuck i 'll tell you it's bad , i asked my aunt who has transformed herself into a liberal what happened to al queda after 9/11 - i asked her did they go into retirement or was it something that GWB did to slow them down / prevent future attacks ... her answer (probably derived from some ny times story ) was that it had nothing to do with bush going after them , they weren't in retirement either , they just out of the goodness of there heart decided to suspend operations against the US because the saudi king warned them he would take away osma's $$$ from the oil rigs in Saudi Arabia that he collects

This is a particularly ridiculous line.

Obama's citizenship was reportedly also something of an obsession for von Brunn, and likely very much on his mind when he walked into the museum and opened fire to make a statement about what "his" America ought to look like

So he knows what was on this nuts mind?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is a particularly ridiculous line.

Obama's citizenship was reportedly also something of an obsession for von Brunn, and likely very much on his mind when he walked into the museum and opened fire to make a statement about what "his" America ought to look like

So he knows what was on this nuts mind?

"The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media. The First Amendment is abrogated -- henceforth. ...," an excerpt said.

Found in his car..and probably on his mind I would think.

[timmgirvan]

the article was a degradation of American dialogue! The premise is ridiculous. but par for the course with the lunatic left media. Come on,Riot, I thought you were all about ...... integrity?

[Antitrust32]

While you cant blame people who speak on the radio for someone elses radical actions, is it disgusting the hate that is purged from the mouths of people like Coulter, and Rush, etc.

Why shouldnt Coulter be held responsible for saying that jews need to be perfected by being Christians... That shouldnt even be allowed to be said on the radio, its pure hate and disgusting, and should make all decent human beings feel sick.


the Grand Ol' Party will never be accepted like it used to inless it looks like a party that is accepting of all people. Not just rich white people. That might have been okay years and years ago when hate was acceptable, but thankfully the younger generation, at least.. is beyond all that.

And its quite ashame because the BLUE party is the other option and that is just

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

While you cant blame people who speak on the radio for someone elses radical actions, is it disgusting the hate that is purged from the mouths of people like Coulter, and Rush, etc.

Why shouldnt Coulter be held responsible for saying that jews need to be perfected by being Christians... That shouldnt even be allowed to be said on the radio, its pure hate and disgusting, and should make all decent human beings feel sick.


the Grand Ol' Party will never be accepted like it used to inless it looks like a party that is accepting of all people. Not just rich white people. That might have been okay years and years ago when hate was acceptable, but thankfully the younger generation, at least.. is beyond all that.

And its quite ashame because the BLUE party is the other option and that is just

The media has painted this picture of all republicans being radicalized and polarizing figures and it simply isnt true. There is no doubt that the mainstream media will do whatever it can to hold onto the ideological advantage that they now maintain with liberal control of the govt. Rush and Coulter and Hannity and the rest are simply playing to their rather sizable audiences. They aren't political commentators as much as "entertainers". The former President was called far worse things by Olberman and crew. He was and continues to be brutalized in the media yet because it falls under similar political leanings of the majority of the media that is simply brushed aside. There is no doubt that the Liberals here HATE George Bush far more than most Conservatives dislike Obama. But that isn't the sexy argument.

[gales0678]

don't forget the republican party sent the 1st african american to the supreme court and attempted to send the 1st hispanic to the dc court of appeals (2nd highest court in the coutry) and the democrtic party the part of the people didn't even give miguel a vote ...talk about being out of touch

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The media has painted this picture of all republicans being radicalized and polarizing figures and it simply isnt true. There is no doubt that the mainstream media will do whatever it can to hold onto the ideological advantage that they now maintain with liberal control of the govt. Rush and Coulter and Hannity and the rest are simply playing to their rather sizable audiences. They aren't political commentators as much as "entertainers". The former President was called far worse things by Olberman and crew. He was and continues to be brutalized in the media yet because it falls under similar political leanings of the majority of the media that is simply brushed aside. There is no doubt that the Liberals here HATE George Bush far more than most Conservatives dislike Obama. But that isn't the sexy argument.

thats an interesting thought. Im not sure if i agree or disagree with it either. You should put that out as a seperate topic but use the public as a whole.

There is no liberal on this website that hates bush as much as Dellinger63 or Timmig hates obama.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The media has painted this picture of all republicans being radicalized and polarizing figures and it simply isnt true. There is no doubt that the mainstream media will do whatever it can to hold onto the ideological advantage that they now maintain with liberal control of the govt. Rush and Coulter and Hannity and the rest are simply playing to their rather sizable audiences. They aren't political commentators as much as "entertainers". The former President was called far worse things by Olberman and crew. He was and continues to be brutalized in the media yet because it falls under similar political leanings of the majority of the media that is simply brushed aside. There is no doubt that the Liberals here HATE George Bush far more than most Conservatives dislike Obama. But that isn't the sexy argument.

I dont think ALL republicans are radical... but I wouldnt be shocked to hear that 15% of conservatives are radical right wing holier than tho people.

And that includes Coulter and Rush.. the people who are being heard the most. And it spreads a terrible message.

Shoot I go and read the politics section of Pace Advantage... my lord I'm conservative and i'd get ripped to shreads if I posted there. Very anti-anyone who isnt Christian. The people who post comments on the Foxnews website are the same way. Its actually quite scary and sick.

There are a ton of very stable & open minded - accepting and loving Republicans out there... thats just not what is being heard on the radio and such, the nutjobs have the loudest voices. And I feel its a big problem.

And I do have a HUGE problem with someone like Coulter saying Jews need to be perfected by becoming Christians. It makes me physically ill. Shouldnt even be allowed to be said under the first amendment. She should get charged with a hate crime for that.

Just because Liberals bashed Bush over everything, doesnt mean Repubs need to attack Obama PERSONALLY... personal attacks are "he's a muslim" "he's not born in the USA", "he's a terrorist" stuff like that should be off limits. It makes us look just plain stupid.

Its fine and dandy to verbally disagree with his policies, just like dem's did with Bush... but the conservatives are just out of hand right now.. and a small percentage of them are making the entire group look bad. Kind of like Muslims, (a small percentage makes the whole society look bad) just A WHOLE LOT LESS EXTREME.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The media has painted this picture of all republicans being radicalized and polarizing figures and it simply isnt true. .

Baloney. It was the GOP that allowed that to happen. No, correct that - they ENCOURAGED it to happen.

To get Bush re-elected the last time, the GOP gave increased voice to the 25% of the radial, polarized, ultra-conservative far right portion of the party.

The GOP ginned these polarized radicals up again by choosing Palin and letting her open her mouth. The Palin rallies were scary, racist, filled with lies. Palin herself is responsible, she encouraged it. That's why they chose her.

But it backfired big time, resulting in a good portion of the GOP voting Democratic this time. Until the extremists are dampened back down, the GOP is useless, and nobody will see that "it simply isnt true".

As lifelong GOP (I even loved Rumsfeld), to have extremists like Dell tell me "you're not a Republican" is laughable and ludicrous.

But as long as the GOP decides that is the voice of the party, the party will have no voice.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

the article was a degradation of American dialogue! The premise is ridiculous. but par for the course with the lunatic left media. Come on,Riot, I thought you were all about ...... integrity?

What do you think the premise is?

I think it's that rabid, inflammatory talk has consequence.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think the premise is?

I think it's that rabid, inflammatory talk has consequence.

This may be the first and last time you hear this Riot, but I 100% agree.


I mean Coulter and such are not directly reponsible for anything that happened yesterday... but when popular people are throwing out the same opinions that go along with psycopath's opinions like this guy yesterday, it throws oil on the fire.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

"The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media. The First Amendment is abrogated -- henceforth. ...," an excerpt said.

Found in his car..and probably on his mind I would think.

What does his citizenship have to do the rantings of a madman? Did Fox news make this guy insane? Is the right now denying the Holocaust too? Irans president has many times in public forums so maybe he should take some of the blame too, though I doubt he would mind. This is a clear case of the sensationalistic "journalism" the writer is complaining about. Tying the views of nutjobs to political pundits is a stretch. Free speech is fine unless you dont agree with it? It is a real stretch to say that psychos are killing people because of Bill O'Reilley. Nutcases have been killing people long before Foxnews came about. Just think of the reaction that JFK's death in modern terms would have caused? Surely Rush would have been to blame for inciting Oswald.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What does his citizenship have to do the rantings of a madman? Did Fox news make this guy insane? Is the right now denying the Holocaust too? Irans president has many times in public forums so maybe he should take some of the blame too, though I doubt he would mind. This is a clear case of the sensationalistic "journalism" the writer is complaining about. Tying the views of nutjobs to political pundits is a stretch. Free speech is fine unless you dont agree with it? It is a real stretch to say that psychos are killing people because of Bill O'Reilley. Nutcases have been killing people long before Foxnews came about. Just think of the reaction that JFK's death in modern terms would have caused? Surely Rush would have been to blame for inciting Oswald.

Especially this guy. He goes way back. I read where in 1981 he tried to kidnap the members of the Federal Reserve board of governers. there was no Fox, Palin, O'Reilly, Coulter, etc back then. who do we blame for that? Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What does his citizenship have to do the rantings of a madman? Did Fox news make this guy insane? Is the right now denying the Holocaust too? Irans president has many times in public forums so maybe he should take some of the blame too, though I doubt he would mind. This is a clear case of the sensationalistic "journalism" the writer is complaining about. Tying the views of nutjobs to political pundits is a stretch. Free speech is fine unless you dont agree with it? It is a real stretch to say that psychos are killing people because of Bill O'Reilley. Nutcases have been killing people long before Foxnews came about. Just think of the reaction that JFK's death in modern terms would have caused? Surely Rush would have been to blame for inciting Oswald.

No, historically it's a pretty reliable way to get the masses worked up.

What do you think about the editor of the Dallas newspaper, that, in the week before Kennedy visited Dallas, called - in the newspaper - for his assassination?

Just an innocent opinionated bystander enjoying his American right of free speech, huh?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, historically it's a pretty reliable way to get the masses worked up.

What do you think about the editor of the Dallas newspaper, that, in the week before Kennedy visited Dallas, called - in the newspaper - for his assassination?

Just an innocent opinionated bystander enjoying his American right of free speech, huh?

You really think that Oswald read some editorial and decided he need to kill the President? Where do you come up with this stuff?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You really think that Oswald read some editorial and decided he need to kill the President? Where do you come up with this stuff?

You really need to stop making assumptions up out of thin air, and attributing them to other people.

Oswald killed Kennedy as far as I've seen documented to try and impress his wife by being a hero. He picked Kennedy due to Kennedy's political views (heavily regarding Russia) - views that were attacked aggressively and repeatedly in the press in the weeks before the visit, as were Kennedy's religion and other politics. Oswald would be a hero to his wife (in his warped mindview) to knock off this inflammatory public figure.

Why are you a hero to kill the President? Well, look at all the people who say he deserves killing.

Do you think the environment of palpable hate down there, the public acceptance of people in positions of responsibility publically saying, "Kill The President Of The United States, he's bad for our country" had nothing at all to do with giving a degranged man the impetuous to kill the President?

Did you see Bill O'Reilly express any sincere remorse over George Tiller being killed? Naw, he spent his time bitching and whining about people pointing fingers at him.

[ArlJim78]

Its really pathetic how some people jump at the chance to try to score political points, even on the back of a tragedy. that piece below is not even worth replying to it is so dishonest and full of holes and inconsistencies. America does have issues with the degradation of the dialogue, and intellectual honesty, but the piece by Mr Howe is a perfect example of what IS wrong.

the 89 year old nutcase who murdered the guard yesterday, among many other paranoid ideas, spoke out against Fox News, Bill O'Reilly, Rupert Murdoch, was obviously anti-semetic, felt George Bush was in on the 9/11 conspiracy, apparently had the address of the conservative Weekly Standard on him, and felt socialism was the best form of government; and this somehow makes him a product of the the right wing, Ann Couter, and Sarah Palin? That is pretty sad.