Obama love

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since you "defended" Obama instead of the fawning press obviously you didn't.

LOL - where did I "defend Obama"? In your imagination?

When I asked why the GOP being impotent as an alternative-party check and balance is Obamas fault?

Or when I wondered why the writer was asking for the press to be skeptical rather than objective?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - where did I "defend Obama"? In your imagination?

When I asked why the GOP being impotent as an alternative-party check and balance is Obamas fault?

Or when I wondered why the writer was asking for the press to be skeptical rather than objective?

The press ISNT being objective!!! That is the point of the columns! Both articles were referring to the lack of objectivity in the press especially compared to previous administrations including both Democrats and Republicans. They are simply giving him a pass, even when he contradicts himself. The GOP's status has nothing to do with the posted links.

Two words: Pay Czar.

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[quote=Cannon Shell]There a lot of people in this country that are very much against this regime and birth certificates, race, and religion have nothing to do with it [quote]

And that's fine. Start that discussion.

But you know what isn't fine? Anybody in this country tolerating or ignoring the stupidity, the constant public repeating of lies by people with celebrity or in the public eye, the whipping up of hate about religion and Muslims and Pastors of a certain color.

You get mad about the press being too kind? How about the press being too extreme?

Why is untrue nonsense being brought up or implied - month after month - by major outlets like Rush Limbaugh and FoxNews?

Ignore the truely crazy internet bloggers - the racists and the white supremicists.

How about a candidate for Vice President of the United States saying another candidate "pals around with terrorists"? How about when an old woman tells a Presidential candidate that the other candidate is "a Muslim"?

We've already had an abortion doctor killed, and today someone tried to blow away those he hated in Washington.

Go read some history about what was said about John Kennedy in the national and Dallas press, regarding his birth, his religion, his politics before he got his head blown off in Dallas.

Unfortunately, that assassination wasn't a surprise. Kennedy was warned it was unsafe to go to Dallas. There was overt hate in the newspapers, on the radio, preached by some religious leaders and politicians - it was, just like it seems to be today, "socially acceptable" to say it and write it.

What's scary is that is the same hate innuendo and lies that public outlets like Limbaugh and Fox News spew and try to whip up daily now about Obama.

Even Sheppard on FoxNews just today said it's gone too far and it's getting scary.

One can't whip up hate and lies and say it's okay talk about, that's our freedom and rights as Americans - oh, but we draw the line at violence. Bullsh-t

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot][quote=Cannon Shell]There a lot of people in this country that are very much against this regime and birth certificates, race, and religion have nothing to do with it

And that's fine. Start that discussion.

But you know what isn't fine? Anybody in this country tolerating or ignoring the stupidity, the constant public repeating of lies by people with celebrity or in the public eye, the whipping up of hate about religion and Muslims and Pastors of a certain color.

You get mad about the press being too kind? How about the press being too extreme?

Why is untrue nonsense being brought up or implied - month after month - by major outlets like Rush Limbaugh and FoxNews?

Ignore the truely crazy internet bloggers - the racists and the white supremicists.

How about a candidate for Vice President of the United States saying another candidate "pals around with terrorists"? How about when an old woman tells a Presidential candidate that the other candidate is "a Muslim"?

We've already had an abortion doctor killed, and today someone tried to blow away those he hated in Washington.

Go read some history about what was said about John Kennedy in the national and Dallas press, regarding his birth, his religion, his politics before he got his head blown off in Dallas.

Unfortunately, that assassination wasn't a surprise. Kennedy was warned it was unsafe to go to Dallas. There was overt hate in the newspapers, on the radio, preached by some religious leaders and politicians - it was, just like it seems to be today, "socially acceptable" to say it and write it.

What's scary is that is the same hate innuendo and lies that public outlets like Limbaugh and Fox News spew and try to whip up daily now about Obama.

Even Sheppard on FoxNews just today said it's gone too far and it's getting scary.

One can't whip up hate and lies and say it's okay talk about, that's our freedom and rights as Americans - oh, but we draw the line at violence. Bullsh-t

I tried to have a discussion about the "new" role of the press after posting columns from far from right wing sources and now we have JFK was unsafe in Dallas because of religious leaders and politicans??? Oh boy.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I tried to have a discussion about the "new" role of the press after posting columns from far from right wing sources and now we have JFK was unsafe in Dallas because of religious leaders and politicans??? Oh boy.

You might have tried entitling your thread, "The Press Has Become Nonprofessional Amateur Hacks", rather than "Obama Love", if you wanted a discussion about the "new" role of the press rather than about Obama.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You might have tried entitling your thread, "The Press Has Become Nonprofessional Amateur Hacks", rather than "Obama Love", if you wanted a discussion about the "new" role of the press rather than about Obama.

If the shoe fits...

I didnt write the articles linked, just posted them. I suppose you will remain in denial regardless of any other studies, facts or opinions presented. Has obama ever done anything that you didn't fawn over?

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>>> The press ISNT being objective!!! That is the point of the columns!

Gee! No kidding? Not only did I obviously "get that point", because I then went beyond it by discussing the writers suggested solution. You know, when I pointed out that I found it interesting that the writer opined that he wanted the press to shift to being skeptical rather than objective?

Did I ever "defend Obama"? Nope.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The press ISNT being objective!!! That is the point of the columns! Both articles were referring to the lack of objectivity in the press especially compared to previous administrations including both Democrats and Republicans. They are simply giving him a pass, even when he contradicts himself. The GOP's status has nothing to do with the posted links.

THis is just not true and you have proven it.
There are plenty of articles questioning the stimulus
package, health care, you name it. I know you have
read them. Even the great devil, the NY Times, "prints"
them.

NPR has a guest almost everyday the past week
voicing concern, and pointing out details of why
the stimulus plan will not work.

People are extremely skeptical about this administration's
fiscal methods. Even his own party has already started
to cut the meat out of the Carbon emissions plan, so much
so that the Democrats are alienating the environmental lobby.


The reason he is being given a "pass" is that there is
NO UNIFIED alternative. The Republicans have done
a horrible job of presenting their own coherent recipe
for recovery. They just know what won't work.
Republicans basically have no idea what will work.
And thats understandable, we are in a very difficult mess.

Obama has used this financial crisis as an opening to
try some extremely bold moves. He obviously thinks there
are some things the government should take on, and
some things that the government can do well, all of which
makes Republicans are very nervous because the government
clearly does nothing well. And should just stay the hell
out of everything. The country can run itself...

Somalia has done such a dandy job
without a government.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

THis is just not true and you have proven it.
There are plenty of articles questioning the stimulus
package, health care, you name it. I know you have
read them. Even the great devil, the NY Times, "prints"
them.

NPR has a guest almost everyday the past week
voicing concern, and pointing out details of why
the stimulus plan will not work.

People are extremely skeptical about this administration's
fiscal methods. Even his own party has already started
to cut the meat out of the Carbon emissions plan, so much
so that the Democrats are alienating the environmental lobby.


The reason he is being given a "pass" is that there is
NO UNIFIED alternative. The Republicans have done
a horrible job of presenting their own coherent recipe
for recovery. They just know what won't work.
Republicans basically have no idea what will work.
And thats understandable, we are in a very difficult mess.

Obama has used this financial crisis as an opening to
try some extremely bold moves. He obviously thinks there
are some things the government should take on, and
some things that the government can do well, all of which
makes Republicans are very nervous because the government
clearly does nothing well. And should just stay the hell
out of everything. The country can run itself...

Somalia has done such a dandy job
without a government.

The NYT and NPR are the voices of dissent? You are delusional.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The NYT and NPR are the voices of dissent? You are delusional.

Where did I say they were the voices of dissent?

Of course they are not your beloved FOX news.
But take a look at the articles and listen.
They present some very good articles/guests that
present highly critical views with coherent explainations.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Where did I say they were the voices of dissent?

Of course they are not your beloved FOX news.
But take a look at the articles and listen.
They present some very good articles/guests that
present highly critical views with coherent explainations.

THis is just not true and you have proven it.
There are plenty of articles questioning the stimulus
package, health care, you name it. I know you have
read them. Even the great devil, the NY Times, "prints"
them.

NPR has a guest almost everyday the past week
voicing concern, and pointing out details of why
the stimulus plan will not work.

Uh here? The press has been overwhelmingly supportive of Obama despite obvious occasions that they would have jumped all over had someone else been in charge. Why anyone disputes this especially with the results of the recent Pew study on the subject is beyond me. And the Fox news thing is so overdone that it is just stupid. Is that the only thing that you can fire back at a Conservative? It is telling that people are unwilling to examine the issues without resorting to the same old tired crap.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The press has been overwhelmingly supportive of Obama

As any new president is and more so because he is black.
Or he says he is black. But overwhelming supportive of his
economic policies... no frggn way. The press is interviewing
numerous economists and bankers etc... that are all pointing
out what they think to be huge flaws. Almost everyday.

And its easy because Obama is moving at lightning speed.
Car companies, banks, carbon emission standards, so much
is taking place... its all over. Including criticism.

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.