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Old 06-08-2009, 04:38 PM
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Is it that he admitted it that bothers you, or that you don't actually believe that to be true?

If it's the former, then we see apologizing in a different way because I think admitting your faults is noble. If it's the latter, I think you're delusional.

And I'm conflicted on DADT and how he's going about it. I'm not his biggest fan right now by any remote stretch based on that issue and other similar ones...but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

Its the former. Admitting your faults to your own country is one thing.. criticizing your country to the rest of the world is another. It is insulting to us and makes us look weak. But we wont see eye to eye on this no matter how long we go back and forth. Thats one of the great things about being American.


I didnt really like the whole "we are fine with kicking gays out of the military" line the white house gave today. not an exact quote but thats what it meant.

But I gotta jet have a good night my fellow citizen!
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Old 06-08-2009, 04:46 PM
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Its the former. Admitting your faults to your own country is one thing.. criticizing your country to the rest of the world is another. It is insulting to us and makes us look weak. But we wont see eye to eye on this no matter how long we go back and forth. Thats one of the great things about being American.
So if he says it to Americans, it's admitting our faults.
If he says it to non-Americans, it's criticism of America?

It's the same thing, to begin with. The internet means that non-Americans can see him "admitting our faults" to Americans....does it instantly turn into criticism when a non-American is viewing it or hearing it? The logic just doesn't make sense.
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Old 06-09-2009, 07:07 AM
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So if he says it to Americans, it's admitting our faults.
If he says it to non-Americans, it's criticism of America?

It's the same thing, to begin with. The internet means that non-Americans can see him "admitting our faults" to Americans....does it instantly turn into criticism when a non-American is viewing it or hearing it? The logic just doesn't make sense.

I would be offended if he said that to us. Admitting your faults and calling your country arrogant are two different things.

Admitting the deficit is a problem is okay... then going and making it 4 times larger is the Obama way.
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:06 PM
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Well, I guess there is at least one thing that I like better about the Bush presidency than the Obama presidency: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/23510
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:10 PM
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trying to show he isn't a godless heathen. but i don't listen to his speeches, so it won't bother me. now, if he starts invading countries at gods command, then i'll start worrying.
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Old 06-09-2009, 02:39 PM
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trying to show he isn't a godless heathen. but i don't listen to his speeches, so it won't bother me. now, if he starts invading countries at gods command, then i'll start worrying.
Oh if he did that you'd say something like "he listens to a different God than Bush did" and to be correct that came up because a reporter asked Jr. if he had consulted his father regarding the Iraq war and he said there is a higher power than Sr not that God told him to invade.

Meanwhile Obama is once again on both sides of yet another issue this time being religion. He's going to have to dig deep in his roots to find a Jewish ancestor before he visits Isreal. Or maybe he'll take the duct tape off Rahm's mouth and drag him along.
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