Obama wrong yet again

[dellinger63]

and the great 'oralter' we be heard again. "It's the economy stupid"

Cap and Trade will not only affect your electric bill but almost everything you buy as when manufacturers are hit with the tax they will have no choice but to pass it on down. sans products manufactured in foreign countries who don't have the tax. Let's see how that works out.

[gales0678]

the bush tax cuts expire at then end of 2010

if we are still in a recession / no growth era , do you think it makes sense to not at least extend them for another year , do you really want taxes to go up in a non growing economy?

[dalakhani]

You guys are hilarious. Obama, for better or worse, is like teflon. I thought this would be a one term presidency but in order to beat a sitting president you have to have a decent candidate with which to beat him regardless of the performance of said president. See George W. Bush 2004.

The republican party needs to take a long look in the mirror and regroup for a run in 2016. Perhaps by then they can come up with a viable candidate. The idea that there are still people in the party that have hopes of trotting out a marginalized Sarah Palin in 2012 shows the sad state of affairs.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You guys are hilarious. Obama, for better or worse, is like teflon. I thought this would be a one term presidency but in order to beat a sitting president you have to have a decent candidate with which to beat him regardless of the performance of said president. See George W. Bush 2004.

The republican party needs to take a long look in the mirror and regroup for a run in 2016. Perhaps by then they can come up with a viable candidate. The idea that there are still people in the party that have hopes of trotting out a marginalized Sarah Palin in 2012 shows the sad state of affairs.

i always thought Hillary's biggest mistake was not running for president in '04

Bush was beatable and she could have gotten him that year considering that Kerry was right there against GW.

There's no doubt in mind that if Hillary had beaten Obama she would have been president

The Clinton's guessed wrong by not going for the jugular in '04

[gales0678]

further to that point my guess is that bill didn't forsee anyone coming out of the democratic side in 2003 to take the nomination away from his wife in 2008thus they rolled the dice and waited 4 yrs , maybe there biggest politcal blunder both of them made

so today it's 2009 , in 2012 some darkhorse could come out of the woodworks like Obama and challenge for and win the party's nomination

[Smooth Operator]

Very true, dalakhani

Bush really did a number on the cons ... not to mention the economy.


Been hilarious watching them scramble around and lash out at BO since the embarrassing defeat last Nov




Palin-Jindal '12

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You guys are hilarious. Obama, for better or worse, is like teflon. I thought this would be a one term presidency but in order to beat a sitting president you have to have a decent candidate with which to beat him regardless of the performance of said president. See George W. Bush 2004.

The republican party needs to take a long look in the mirror and regroup for a run in 2016. Perhaps by then they can come up with a viable candidate. The idea that there are still people in the party that have hopes of trotting out a marginalized Sarah Palin in 2012 shows the sad state of affairs.

i don't agree with this , Obama in 2005 would have been 1000/1 to win the presidencey , therefore someone can still win from the republican party in 2012 - theremaybe someone out there how comes in from the back of the pack like MTB did in the derby an leaves everybody stunned ...... who bet on Obama to win in '05 ,06, +07 - it was all Hillary Clinton , she was even money to win the nomination for a long time

[Antitrust32]

To be honest there is absolutely no way you can say Obama is made of teflon of not. If taxes go up, if the cap and trade is implemented, if 3 1/2 years from now the wars are worse or more countries are involved (north korea).. if the economy still sucks, and if the Stimulus doesnt work and inflation begins to happen.. there is no way Obama is re-elected.

Its pretty simple... If Obama policies work & the country is doing well, he gets re-elected, if his policies dont work and the country is doing worse, he is not re-elected... It doesnt really matter who runs against him. (unless Palin runs cause nobody likes her - but the chances of her winning the primary's are slim to non unless the Repubs really want to shoot themselves in the head).

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

To be honest there is absolutely no way you can say Obama is made of teflon of not. If taxes go up, if the cap and trade is implemented, if 3 1/2 years from now the wars are worse or more countries are involved (north korea).. if the economy still sucks, and if the Stimulus doesnt work and inflation begins to happen.. there is no way Obama is re-elected.

Its pretty simple... If Obama policies work & the country is doing well, he gets re-elected, if his policies dont work and the country is doing worse, he is not re-elected... It doesnt really matter who runs against him. (unless Palin runs cause nobody likes her - but the chances of her winning the primary's are slim to non unless the Repubs really want to shoot themselves in the head).

History has shown you to be incorrect. There have been a lot of lousy two term presidents. It is all about the opposition. The last two bushes (no pun intended you freak! ) show the dichotomy.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

History has shown you to be incorrect. There have been a lot of lousy two term presidents. It is all about the opposition. The last two bushes (no pun intended you freak! ) show the dichotomy.

to be fair bush I lost because of ross perot more than bill clinotn's persona

ross's constant attacks on the defecit really hammered home a lot of points against bush i who thought he was a lock after the gulf war , but, that election was won because of bread and butter , the economy turned sour about 9 months before the election and clintion was aided by ross perot's constant attacks on the defecit and spending in washington

[gales0678]

and like i said hillary proably would have beaten GWB in '04 in my opinon , that stiff kerry was the best they could do and he almost won

the clinton's blew there chance in '04

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by gales0678

to be fair bush I lost because of ross perot more than bill clinotn's persona

ross's constant attacks on the defecit really hammered home a lot of points against bush i who thought he was a lock after the gulf war , but, that election was won because of bread and butter , the economy turned sour about 9 months before the election and clintion was aided by ross perot's constant attacks on the defecit and spending in washington

The economy was actually stabilized by the time the election came about. Clinton owned bush in the debates and ran a campaign that was light years beyond what the Conservatives had seen and they were left flat footed. Attributing clinton's success in that election to Perot is not giving necessary credit where it is due.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

History has shown you to be incorrect. There have been a lot of lousy two term presidents. It is all about the opposition. The last two bushes (no pun intended you freak! ) show the dichotomy.

Okay so I'll give you that Palin would probably equal Kerry as far as horrible opposition. Obama could sell us to China in the next four years and may still beat Palin.

But if the Repubs are smart, a Tim Pawlenty/Mitt Romney could seriously challange Obama, and if Obama's policies fail, then we would most likely win.

And you meant W's two term presidency right, cause Bush Sr. was a one term guy.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Okay so I'll give you that Palin would probably equal Kerry as far as horrible opposition. Obama could sell us to China in the next four years and may still beat Palin.

But if the Repubs are smart, a Tim Pawlenty/Mitt Romney could seriously challange Obama, and if Obama's policies fail, then we would most likely win.

And you meant W's two term presidency right, cause Bush Sr. was a one term guy.

Romney? I always thought that would be an interesting sell to the **** stompers in the midwest. A mormon president. Hmmmmm. Tough sell to the bible belt.

Pawlenty is another typical white guy. There is nothing "sexy" about him. You arent going to beat Obama and oprah winfrey with tim pawlenty and it doesnt matter if Obama tries to make Arabic studies a requirement for elementary school.