RunfortheDoe wins Oaklawn Handicap?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

I don't give a damn what drug he was charged with an overage. I don't care what trainers are charged with an overage. They all deserve to be dealt with swiftly and with harsh punishment. Multiple offenders even more harshly punished as well. 3-6 months for first time offenders for example, 6-12 months for 2nd time offenders, and 12 months to life bans for 3rd time offenders.

i disagree, and i've been very open regarding my disdain for steve asmussen (for one) and his oft-repeated overages. i would think in this particular case dealing with naproxen that perhaps they should have a threshold limit since widthdrawal times are seemingly unpredictable. what would really be nice is if they had one set of rules, one set of guidelines, nationwide. differing allowances (oaklawn is zero tolerance on naproxen) from state to state doesn't help a trainer, nor does conflicting guidelines on when to stop administering a drug. brass hat was dq'd after his trainer followed dubais rules regarding when to stop administering a drug in order to run legally there. OOPS-he followed the rules and still got 'caught'. we want horses to ship from one area to another, but it gets dicey when they confront a rules change at the same time.


i wonder if shipping, and a horse being van/stall bound will affect metabolizing?

as for multiple offenders, absolutely they should be punished more harshly. but i do not believe that a trainer with a class four should be treated in the same manner as one with a class one overage for example.

assman, by the way, has his hearing now scheduled for july. the 7th i believe.

[Bobby Fischer]

I think there is a place for new creative ways to go after the actual move-up drugs. One idea is to go after the side effects. These type of side effects could be one way to regulate undetectable drugs. For example EPO abuse could theoretically lead to a change in the blood composition or even anemia. Steroid or Growth Hormones may lead to estrogen conversion or some kind of hormone imbalance. If a horse fails the side effects screening, it could be kept out of racing on the grounds of failing a vet test. Just a brainstorming idea.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

I think there is a place for new creative ways to go after the actual move-up drugs. One idea is to go after the side effects. These type of side effects could be one way to regulate undetectable drugs. For example EPO abuse could theoretically lead to a change in the blood composition or even anemia. Steroid or Growth Hormones may lead to estrogen conversion or some kind of hormone imbalance. If a horse fails the side effects screening, it could be kept out of racing on the grounds of failing a vet test. Just a brainstorming idea.

isn't that how they caught manny? he didn't test positive for a drug specifically, but had high levels of something that indicated the use of the drug...
or maybe i imagined all that.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cardus

While that would be nice, it is, again, a red herring (see Kasept, above).

Let's not deflect attention away from the offending party.

i wasn't attempting to do that. but some common sense in place would be nice. you can't have 20 (or so) different sets of rules and regs, and then expect people to ship from point a, to b, to c, without any concern other than travel costs. but i do know that i wouldn't touch a drug like naproxen if it's that haphazard.
this is supposed to be a professional sport...just think how it would be if the redskins, the yankees, the red sox had different sets of criteria every time they played an away game? but each away game is different than that last away game in az, or new jersey..


BUT, in the end, just like with mullins in new york-it is on the trainers shoulders to meet the requirements. wolfson presumably did not in this case.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Danzig

this is supposed to be a professional sport...just think how it would be if the redskins, the yankees, the red sox had different sets of criteria every time they played an away game? but each away game is different than that last away game in az, or new jersey.