Nice try Nostradamus

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GPK

Indeed. As good as EC was last year as a 3yo, I said over the winter he would have a monster 4YO year, and he has not dissapointed. His 2 losses this year have come in races where they CRAWLED around the track.

and both at 10f, correct? i remember when sulamani came over for the arlington million, the one where gary stevens ended up laying on the finish line while storming home did his best impression of gerald ford coming down the steps....anyway, sulamani was good, real good, but 10f was not his best distance. bingo, he came in fourth...a lot of people jumped on his bandwagon pre-race, because he was the class of the field--but NOT at 10f. those turfers are quirky. most have to have exactly the right ground, and of course the right distance. EC should avoid 10f like the plague.

just think the odds bettors will get on english channel come bc time.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

and both at 10f, correct? i remember when sulamani came over for the arlington million, the one where gary stevens ended up laying on the finish line while storming home did his best impression of gerald ford coming down the steps....anyway, sulamani was good, real good, but 10f was not his best distance. bingo, he came in fourth...a lot of people jumped on his bandwagon pre-race, because he was the class of the field--but NOT at 10f. those turfers are quirky. most have to have exactly the right ground, and of course the right distance. EC should avoid 10f like the plague.

just think the odds bettors will get on english channel come bc time.

You think he needs longer??

[Danzig]

must be, those are his two losses. horses are funny, but turfers are really funny.

a lot of euros like softer going, so if we have a lot of rain leading up the bc, i'd back a euro over an american...but if we have a really firm course (also, overseas they water the track if there's no rain) than i would back an american horse. it's why most euros don't want to show up if the bc is on the west coast. they don't like the track. but when the bc is at belmont for instance, you don't have a problem getting a full field.
a lot of people believe in a euro 'dominance' over here--but i wonder how many paid attention when the stat was put up that the arlington million is won 1/3 of the time by euros, thus 2/3 by north americans. i'd think most would have thought it was the other way around. also, a lot of euro horses come here to run after limited success overseas, generally because they don't like the cut in the ground you get over there, and not over here. our turf is much firmer than overseas...that's why they come here--they're good horses, they're just out of their element over there. it's amazing to me how much the surface affects most turf horses. certainly seem pickier than their dirt running counterparts.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

must be, those are his two losses. horses are funny, but turfers are really funny.

a lot of euros like softer going, so if we have a lot of rain leading up the bc, i'd back a euro over an american...but if we have a really firm course (also, overseas they water the track if there's no rain) than i would back an american horse. it's why most euros don't want to show up if the bc is on the west coast. they don't like the track. but when the bc is at belmont for instance, you don't have a problem getting a full field.
a lot of people believe in a euro 'dominance' over here--but i wonder how many paid attention when the stat was put up that the arlington million is won 1/3 of the time by euros, thus 2/3 by north americans. i'd think most would have thought it was the other way around. also, a lot of euro horses come here to run after limited success overseas, generally because they don't like the cut in the ground you get over there, and not over here. our turf is much firmer than overseas...that's why they come here--they're good horses, they're just out of their element over there. it's amazing to me how much the surface affects most turf horses. certainly seem pickier than their dirt running counterparts.

I think those two losses were more due to the slow pace in those races as opposed to the distance of the race.

EC has won going 1 1/16, 1 3/16, 1 1/4, 1 3/8