NBA Playoffs

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I made this point earlier in the thread and is was mentioned last night: Cleveland has not one single player that can score in the post. Not one. Of course Lebron and a couple of the other go down there once or twice a game but they don't have a single guy that can consistently or even inconsistently score with his back to the basket.

I dont recall one title contending team that was designed this way. Am I missing a team?

It's not just that, they are capable of scoring enough points to win. Their problem is with Ilgauskas in the game they will give up an open three every single possession with him unable to switch onto the ball off a screen or to roll and cover the man setting the screen. After every pick and roll with Ilguaskas in the game there is someone left wide open and if the help defense comes they just find the next guy wide open. It's pretty masterful.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It's not just that, they are capable of scoring enough points to win. Their problem is with Ilgauskas in the game they will give up an open three every single possession with him unable to switch onto the ball off a screen or to roll and cover the man setting the screen. After every pick and roll with Ilguaskas in the game there is someone left wide open and if the help defense comes they just find the next guy wide open. It's pretty masterful.

Absolutely and it was obvious in crunch time last night that they decided to go small for that very reason. Turk and rashard present major matchup problems any way you cut and if Alston is hitting open 17 ft shots like any decent NBA player should, they become very tough to guard. If howard is hitting foul shots, they become a matchup nightmare. Thinkk about this-In regulation when rashard hit that three, they were trying to cover him with 95 year old ben wallace. What else could they do?

I agree that offense isnt a problem for cleveland, i was just making a point that i had never seen a team that successful designed that way. No one plays post. Can anyone else come up with a championship contender without a player that plays back to basket? Illgauskus really doesnt play in the post anymore, he pretty much just spots up.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Absolutely and it was obvious in crunch time last night that they decided to go small for that very reason. Turk and rashard present major matchup problems any way you cut and if Alston is hitting open 17 ft shots like any decent NBA player should, they become very tough to guard. If howard is hitting foul shots, they become a matchup nightmare. Thinkk about this-In regulation when rashard hit that three, they were trying to cover him with 95 year old ben wallace. What else could they do?

I agree that offense isnt a problem for cleveland, i was just making a point that i had never seen a team that successful designed that way. No one plays post. Can anyone else come up with a championship contender without a player that plays back to basket? Illgauskus really doesnt play in the post anymore, he pretty much just spots up.

Yeah, I'm guessing I'm not the only one that as soon as I heard Ben Wallace had come in to cover Lewis thought that it was a guarantee Lewis was going to hit a 3. They didn't need another slow guy covering perimeter players, that was a bonehead decision. Where they need Wallace is to at least attempt to matchup with Howard so that teams can't pick and roll them to death when Varejao isn't on the court.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, I'm guessing I'm not the only one that as soon as I heard Ben Wallace had come in to cover Lewis thought that it was a guarantee Lewis was going to hit a 3. They didn't need another slow guy covering perimeter players, that was a bonehead decision. Where they need Wallace is to at least attempt to matchup with Howard so that teams can't pick and roll them to death when Varejao isn't on the court.

he is too slow to stay with howard when he comes out on the high pick and roll. It was pretty funny earlier in the thread when cannon actually brought wallace up as a viable defender. Wallace is done.

Having said all of this, I can't help but think the NBA will do all they can to make sure Lebron reaches that final. That call he got with .5 seconds was the most sickening display i have seen since jordan was playing.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

he is too slow to stay with howard when he comes out on the high pick and roll. It was pretty funny earlier in the thread when cannon actually brought wallace up as a viable defender. Wallace is done.

Having said all of this, I can't help but think the NBA will do all they can to make sure Lebron reaches that final. That call he got with .5 seconds was the most sickening display i have seen since jordan was playing.

Wallace is too slow but he's still far faster than Ilgauskas. At this point they have to play Wallace at the 5 when Varejao is out with how well Orlando is executing the pick and roll. Z should only be an option in this series when both Verejao and Wallace have fouled out.

Yeah, that was a tough block that put Lebron on the line.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

he is too slow to stay with howard when he comes out on the high pick and roll. It was pretty funny earlier in the thread when cannon actually brought wallace up as a viable defender. Wallace is done.

Having said all of this, I can't help but think the NBA will do all they can to make sure Lebron reaches that final. That call he got with .5 seconds was the most sickening display i have seen since jordan was playing.

Of all your dumb posts this one ranks right up there. Where were all the other foul calls down the stretch that could have bailed out Lebron when he was driving to the lane and there was contact? You cant just fall down in front of a guy, especially in that situation and not expect a foul call. There is no doubt that the NBA has a problem with its refs but they have been inconsistent both ways. And LeBron does cover the PG for the 100th time. Not to mention that Wallace played Howard pretty well last night including blocking a dunk attempt. He is obviously not the same player but can and did contribute. He was a bad matchup for Lewis at the end but it was a perfectly executed pick play and it is hard to believe that anyone would have been able to come through that pick and defend Lewis' shot. The fact is that Orlando has hit an unusually high percentage of three point shots, the french guy and Alston in particular. If they dont hit just one of those shots, they lose. And I guess West is too short to do a good job defensively on the Turk too.

[the_fat_man]

This has to be killing the douchebag Stern. He puts all this effort into fixing the results with all these calls for James and the Magic are basically sticking up his ass. If we could only have him at the games and have the cameras find him whenever the Magic make a clutch shot (after yet another foul call for James) it would be absolutely priceless.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Of all your dumb posts this one ranks right up there. Where were all the other foul calls down the stretch that could have bailed out Lebron when he was driving to the lane and there was contact? You cant just fall down in front of a guy, especially in that situation and not expect a foul call. There is no doubt that the NBA has a problem with its refs but they have been inconsistent both ways. And LeBron does cover the PG for the 100th time. Not to mention that Wallace played Howard pretty well last night including blocking a dunk attempt. He is obviously not the same player but can and did contribute. He was a bad matchup for Lewis at the end but it was a perfectly executed pick play and it is hard to believe that anyone would have been able to come through that pick and defend Lewis' shot. The fact is that Orlando has hit an unusually high percentage of three point shots, the french guy and Alston in particular. If they dont hit just one of those shots, they lose. And I guess West is too short to do a good job defensively on the Turk too.

Anybody who watched the game knows that wasnt a foul and if you are going to make that call, you have to make the call on the other end against verijao(sp) when BOTH FELL. LOL. Seriously, if you would like i can put you on intercom and explain the game as it happens. Beyond that, I have offered classes and you havent taken me up...yet

As far as defending the point guard, my point was made over the last two games. Rafer alston scores 18 and 26. If lebron is supposed to be defending, then he cant defend him. If he can defend him, then he simply is NOT defending him or else he wouldnt be scoring 26 points. Either way, im right and you are looking more and more foolish trying to hold on to this stupid position.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Anybody who watched the game knows that wasnt a foul and if you are going to make that call, you have to make the call on the other end against verijao(sp) when BOTH FELL. LOL. Seriously, if you would like i can put you on intercom and explain the game as it happens. Beyond that, I have offered classes and you havent taken me up...yet

As far as defending the point guard, my point was made over the last two games. Rafer alston scores 18 and 26. If lebron is supposed to be defending, then he cant defend him. If he can defend him, then he simply is NOT defending him or else he wouldnt be scoring 26 points. Either way, im right and you are looking more and more foolish trying to hold on to this stupid position.

That was a great no call. It was a lob situation and both players have equal rights to the ball. It is arguable who initiated the contact (probably Verajao but it wasn't definitive) but it was 100% clear that Howard reached in and got tangled up. To call a foul on one player or the other when both are going for a lob would be as atrocious as two guys bumping into each other on a jump ball and picking one out and calling the foul on them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Anybody who watched the game knows that wasnt a foul and if you are going to make that call, you have to make the call on the other end against verijao(sp) when BOTH FELL. LOL. Seriously, if you would like i can put you on intercom and explain the game as it happens. Beyond that, I have offered classes and you havent taken me up...yet

As far as defending the point guard, my point was made over the last two games. Rafer alston scores 18 and 26. If lebron is supposed to be defending, then he cant defend him. If he can defend him, then he simply is NOT defending him or else he wouldnt be scoring 26 points. Either way, im right and you are looking more and more foolish trying to hold on to this stupid position.

He guards the PG. The reasoning is clear but he does guard the PG. And there was no foul on the lob because Howard had hooked the hairy guys arm. Watch the play and stop listening to Doug Collins.

The last second play with James was and always will be a foul, especially in that situation. Not even debatable. If there is contact and the defensive player doesnt have position and impedes a path to the basket it will be a foul.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Anybody who watched the game knows that wasnt a foul and if you are going to make that call, you have to make the call on the other end against verijao(sp) when BOTH FELL. LOL. Seriously, if you would like i can put you on intercom and explain the game as it happens. Beyond that, I have offered classes and you havent taken me up...yet

As far as defending the point guard, my point was made over the last two games. Rafer alston scores 18 and 26. If lebron is supposed to be defending, then he cant defend him. If he can defend him, then he simply is NOT defending him or else he wouldnt be scoring 26 points. Either way, im right and you are looking more and more foolish trying to hold on to this stupid position.

give it up....everybody with the refs. I'm sick of this. all of it.