Belmont Stakes Field

[LooseOnTheLead]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I think his Peter Pan win looked better than it really was given some of the extenuating circumstances (trip, track condition, runner-up who hung).
NT

I call that a picture perfect prep second off a long layoff.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by LooseOnTheLead

I call that a picture perfect prep second off a long layoff.

Yes, you're right...it was exactly what he needed in order to win. I'll bet against it happening again.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Yes, you're right...it was exactly what he needed in order to win. I'll bet against it happening again.

NT

Me too. I don't get him at all.

[colt 45ss]

coach ouch
but its mr hot stuff you have to worry about

[Gander]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Me too. I don't get him at all.

Me as well. Thought that race was set up on a tee for him sitting closest behind the speed freak Hello Broadway and getting first run on any closers, albeit there were no good closers in this race anyways. My contention is he probably would have still won this race but the margin and ease of victory were flattered by the set up. Imperial Council didnt exactly run the kind of race in the Met Mile that would have flattered Charitable Man.

I think there is a big chance Charitable Man goes off favored in the Belmont too.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Gander

Me as well. Thought that race was set up on a tee for him sitting closest behind the speed freak Hello Broadway and getting first run on any closers, albeit there were no good closers in this race anyways. My contention is he probably would have still won this race but the margin and ease of victory were flattered by the set up. Imperial Council didnt exactly run the kind of race in the Met Mile that would have flattered Charitable Man.

I think there is a big chance Charitable Man goes off favored in the Belmont too.

Assuming Rachel Alexandra doesn't run, Mine That Bird is a cinch to be favored in the Belmont.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Assuming Rachel Alexandra doesn't run, Mine That Bird is a cinch to be favored in the Belmont.

Not including Rachael Alexandra, who most likely isnt running, I think Charitable Man and Mine that Bird will be very close in the wagering, both very close to 2/1. Then Dunkirk at around 7/2.

[LooseOnTheLead]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Yes, you're right...it was exactly what he needed in order to win. I'll bet against it happening again.

NT

the fact that he won or lost means absolutely nothing to me, whats important is that it sets him up perfectly to run a career best race next time out. you cant draw it up better than this.He may not win but the most likely result for him is a new top in the Belmont, something very few horses do.GL

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by LooseOnTheLead

the fact that he won or lost means absolutely nothing to me, whats important is that it sets him up perfectly to run a career best race next time out. you cant draw it up better than this.He may not win but the most likely result for him is a new top in the Belmont, something very few horses do.GL

How the hell do you figure his Peter Pan win sets him up to run a career best race? Is it the 3rd off a layoff that you really like?

I simply can't see how someone could take a perfect trip winner who had everything go his way and say in such a matter-of-fact way that he's gonna run an even better race in arguably the most grueling race in America.

NT

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

How the hell do you figure his Peter Pan win sets him up to run a career best race? Is it the 3rd off a layoff that you really like?

I simply can't see how someone could take a perfect trip winner who had everything go his way and say in such a matter-of-fact way that he's gonna run an even better race in arguably the most grueling race in America.

NT

What's obvious to some is not obvious to others. And, here, it doesn't cost anything to be wrong.

Handicapping, a decidedly SOLO experience.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

He's like that Quiet Chris, predicting, loudly, that Imperial Council would win the MET MILE (on that other forum).

I saw that too. Pretty funny stuff.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Simple, Nick, he doesn't know any better.

He's like that other idiot, Quiet Chris, predicting, loudly, that Imperial Council would win the MET MILE (on that other forum).

What's obvious to some is not obvious to others. And, here, it doesn't cost anything to be wrong.

Handicapping, a decidedly SOLO experience.

The common thread is, of course, that Quiet Chris LOVES Charitable Man in the Belmont.

NT

[LooseOnTheLead]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What's obvious to some is not obvious to others. And, here, it doesn't cost anything to be wrong.

Handicapping, a decidedly SOLO experience.

because of my respect and admiration for the host, i thought this site might be different and worhtwhile.Guess not.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by LooseOnTheLead

because of my respect and admiration for the host, i thought this site might be different and worhtwhile.Guess not.

Another promising handicapping mind negatively influenced by the Fat Man.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by LooseOnTheLead

because of my respect and admiration for the host, i thought this site might be different and worhtwhile.Guess not.

This is not a place for the thin-skinned but if you stand by your opinions (which it seems like you do) then you should stay. However, don't be surprised if an opinion deduced almost entirely from the sheets is derided by non-sheet players.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by LooseOnTheLead

because of my respect and admiration for the host, i thought this site might be different and worhtwhile.Guess not.

So we should all agree with your opinion.....ya know.....out of respect for our host?

Just be sure you are checking back AFTER the Belmont, on the off chance that Charitable Man tanks.

[LooseOnTheLead]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

How the hell do you figure his Peter Pan win sets him up to run a career best race? Is it the 3rd off a layoff that you really like?

I simply can't see how someone could take a perfect trip winner who had everything go his way and say in such a matter-of-fact way that he's gonna run an even better race in arguably the most grueling race in America.

NT

a modest improvement off his 2yo top in his second start signals a better top in his third and his style figures him to get another ideal trip any way you cut it.If i could bet he runs a new top i would bet w/ both hands.

[the_fat_man]

See, this is why I need to be paying for someone else's opinion/data.

By forking over my money, I also get to join a cool, sort of exclusive club that uses all these groovy words:

bounce
form cycle
new top

Groovy chickarooney. This is fine ****.

Rather than developing my skill in the game I would then be developing my skill in interpreting the opinion/information of someone else. And I'd have the privilege/pleasure of discussing someone else's ideas on his forum. And there'd even be historical precedence: the Neo Platonists or the Aristotelian apologists, for example. They did much to further the ideas of their master.

Why in the world would I want my own opinion?

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by LooseOnTheLead

I call that a picture perfect prep second off a long layoff.

You do realize Charitable Man's Peter Pan was the epitome of a perfect trip while sitting off a runaway leader getting the run of the race, and coming home in nearly 13 seconds for the last 1/8th of a mile even after running at a comfortable pace early while getting that perfect trip. But Charitable Man is the horse to beat in the Belmont and based off that he absolutely wants 1 1/2 miles...