Douglas to have surgery following spill

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/wh...are-the-blame/

excellent article

"Far too often, these incidents pass without any warnings or repercussions to the jockey. No harm, no foul, the thinking goes."

"Theriot was only riding the way stewards in too many racing jurisdictions allow him to ride. Watch the replays from any track on any given day, and you’re likely to see similar moves by other jockeys — some with less experience, others with more — than the 30-year-old Theriot."

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Danzig

excellent article

"Far too often, these incidents pass without any warnings or repercussions to the jockey. No harm, no foul, the thinking goes."

"Theriot was only riding the way stewards in too many racing jurisdictions allow him to ride. Watch the replays from any track on any given day, and you’re likely to see similar moves by other jockeys — some with less experience, others with more — than the 30-year-old Theriot."

So all tracks should be like SoCal tracks,where if you even LOOK at another horse,you get taken down??? I remember a few years ago this was happening at the Hollywood summer meet.Seemed like there was an inquiry every race.Everyone complained. Sounds like it will be real good for handle.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

So all tracks should be like SoCal tracks,where if you even LOOK at another horse,you get taken down??? I remember a few years ago this was happening at the Hollywood summer meet.Seemed like there was an inquiry every race.Everyone complained. Sounds like it will be real good for handle.

i don't think that's true at all. besides, i was referring to the paulick article in which he says that when it's not a horse finishing in the money that's impeded, generally nothing is said. that if you have rough riding, whether there's an injury/inquiry or not, they should speak to the riders. i'm not arguing that sometimes bad calls are made, or not made...i'm agreeing with mr. paulick when he says that the thinking of 'no harm' doesn't necessarily equal 'no foul'.

i agree with others as far as theriot and other jockeys making that type of move many times without consequence. the problem is, this time it was made with awful results. perhaps, as paulick said, they shouldn't let this go repeatedly, just because it didn't affect a horse hitting the board-because if you push long enough, someone ends up injured.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think that's true at all. besides, i was referring to the paulick article in which he says that when it's not a horse finishing in the money that's impeded, generally nothing is said. that if you have rough riding, whether there's an injury/inquiry or not, they should speak to the riders. i'm not arguing that sometimes bad calls are made, or not made...i'm agreeing with mr. paulick when he says that the thinking of 'no harm' doesn't necessarily equal 'no foul'.

i agree with others as far as theriot and other jockeys making that type of move many times without consequence. the problem is, this time it was made with awful results. perhaps, as paulick said, they shouldn't let this go repeatedly, just because it didn't affect a horse hitting the board-because if you push long enough, someone ends up injured.

The stewards do speak to the riders and do hand out punishment without an inquiry or objection being lodged. When the riders walk into the jocks room after a race if they have done something wrong or just rode with their head up their azz the clerck of scales will tell them they are on the films list for the next day. That means they review the race or races with the stewards , they ask the jockey for their thoughts after the film is shown and then the stewards tell them theirs. After films you leave the room while the stewards decide your fate , then they call you back in and let you have it or not. 9 times out of 10 the stews have already made up their mind before you leave the room .

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Honu

The stewards do speak to the riders and do hand out punishment without an inquiry or objection being lodged. When the riders walk into the jocks room after a race if they have done something wrong or just rode with their head up their azz the clerck of scales will tell them they are on the films list for the next day. That means they review the race or races with the stewards , they ask the jockey for their thoughts after the film is shown and then the stewards tell them theirs. After films you leave the room while the stewards decide your fate , then they call you back in and let you have it or not. 9 times out of 10 the stews have already made up their mind before you leave the room .

Not everyone saw that episode of "Jockeys".

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

Not everyone saw that episode of "Jockeys".

or any of them for that matter...

[chucklestheclown]

Good stuff. Sorta. Is there any new news on Mr. Douglas?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

Not everyone saw that episode of "Jockeys".

I didnt either , what happen?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Honu

I didnt either , what happen?

I believe he is refering to the episode/episodes where you saw some of the process that goes on between the jocks and the stewards. Basically if the stewards saw something that they didn't like, the jocks name would go up on a chalkboard in the jocks room. Then the jock in question had to meet with the stewards the next day.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

So all tracks should be like SoCal tracks,where if you even LOOK at another horse,you get taken down??? I remember a few years ago this was happening at the Hollywood summer meet.Seemed like there was an inquiry every race.Everyone complained. Sounds like it will be real good for handle.

your joking right? Pval and Victor have made a living riding carelessly there the past decade. Nakatani is no better.

[Honu]

I dont believe that the jock tried to drop Rene , it was not intentional on his part , perhaps poor judgement but nothing on purpose. Riders ride races everyday and beat other riders to holes , its part of the race and once in awhile something tragic happens. As a rider you never want to see someone else get hurt .

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Honu

I dont believe that the jock tried to drop Rene ,

I don't think anyone believes the jock tried to drop Rene. He's not supposed to come out unless he's clear of other horses. A big problem we have is that a lot of people don't have an issue with the way he rode right there. I guess there saying that this Thursday it's acceptable for another jock to have a career-ending spinal injury.

[MaTH716]

It sounds like there's some hope.

http://drf.com/news/article/104119.html

[Scav]

There is already a bunch of fundraisers out there for him. I guess all the Illinois OTB's are having something either next weekend of this weekend where you can make a bunch of bets and put them into a container, and all the winners go into a fund, plus the OTB or track will match all the losers. Pretty cool idea for such a bad situation

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Scav

There is already a bunch of fundraisers out there for him. I guess all the Illinois OTB's are having something either next weekend of this weekend where you can make a bunch of bets and put them into a container, and all the winners go into a fund, plus the OTB or track will match all the losers. Pretty cool idea for such a bad situation

sounds like a really good idea.